topic Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI in MSA Storage

Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 10:33:52 GMT

Hi There,

Is anyone else out there using a HPE c7000 and MSA 2040 in a software iSCSI implmentation (I have two HPE 5700 switches providing the storage network). One 10GB connection (with a standby) to the storage using SFP-DAC cables. I'm using VMWARE 6.7. The VMWARE datastore is on SAS 10K disks in a RAID 6 config. The blades are CL460c's Gen9. (Power is set to MAX in the BIOS)

I've built a test VM Windows 2012 server 1 CPU 4GB RAM - One 40GB

I then run this test.

DiskSpd.exe -c15G -d300 -r -w40 -t8 -o32 -b64K -Sh -L c:\temp\testfile.dat

What performance are you getting. I'm not sure what is good for an MSA 2040.

While running the test above I also run performance monitor and specifically look at the counter "Average Disk sec/Transfer" . The average is alway around 0.262 when Microsoft says it should be around 0.005. Thats whats really bugging me.

Appreciate it if you can run the test (as close to the config above would be great)

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 20 Mar 2019 10:37:16 GMT

My results

Command Line: DiskSpd.exe -c15G -d300 -r -w40 -t8 -o32 -b64K -Sh -L c:\temp\testfile.dat

Input parameters:

timespan: 1
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duration: 300s
warm up time: 5s
cool down time: 0s
measuring latency
random seed: 0
path: 'c:\temp\testfile.dat'
think time: 0ms
burst size: 0
software cache disabled
hardware write cache disabled, writethrough on
performing mix test (read/write ratio: 60/40)
block size: 65536
using random I/O (alignment: 65536)
number of outstanding I/O operations: 32
thread stride size: 0
threads per file: 8
using I/O Completion Ports
IO priority: normal

System information:

computer name:
start time: 2019/02/20 10:26:53 UTC

Results for timespan 1:
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actual test time: 300.00s
thread count: 8
proc count: 1

CPU | Usage | User | Kernel | Idle
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0| 3.91%| 0.74%| 3.17%| 96.09%
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avg.| 3.91%| 0.74%| 3.17%| 96.09%

Total IO
thread | bytes | I/Os | MiB/s | I/O per s | AvgLat | LatStdDev | file
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0 | 2384723968 | 36388 | 7.58 | 121.29 | 263.452 | 96.438 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
1 | 2387214336 | 36426 | 7.59 | 121.42 | 263.080 | 97.048 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
2 | 2381905920 | 36345 | 7.57 | 121.15 | 263.822 | 97.947 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
3 | 2390556672 | 36477 | 7.60 | 121.59 | 262.768 | 96.274 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
4 | 2384592896 | 36386 | 7.58 | 121.29 | 263.433 | 97.782 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
5 | 2380398592 | 36322 | 7.57 | 121.07 | 263.954 | 97.094 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
6 | 2386821120 | 36420 | 7.59 | 121.40 | 263.202 | 97.589 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
7 | 2378235904 | 36289 | 7.56 | 120.96 | 264.204 | 97.470 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
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total: 19074449408 | 291053 | 60.64 | 970.17 | 263.489 | 97.208

Read IO
thread | bytes | I/Os | MiB/s | I/O per s | AvgLat | LatStdDev | file
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 | 1430781952 | 21832 | 4.55 | 72.77 | 248.969 | 90.696 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
1 | 1434255360 | 21885 | 4.56 | 72.95 | 248.666 | 93.539 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
2 | 1427243008 | 21778 | 4.54 | 72.59 | 248.341 | 92.967 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
3 | 1431175168 | 21838 | 4.55 | 72.79 | 248.458 | 92.297 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
4 | 1436876800 | 21925 | 4.57 | 73.08 | 248.435 | 93.917 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
5 | 1425080320 | 21745 | 4.53 | 72.48 | 248.747 | 91.595 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
6 | 1426587648 | 21768 | 4.53 | 72.56 | 248.319 | 94.191 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
7 | 1420689408 | 21678 | 4.52 | 72.26 | 248.630 | 90.786 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
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total: 11432689664 | 174449 | 36.34 | 581.49 | 248.571 | 92.510

Write IO
thread | bytes | I/Os | MiB/s | I/O per s | AvgLat | LatStdDev | file
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 | 953942016 | 14556 | 3.03 | 48.52 | 285.175 | 100.626 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
1 | 952958976 | 14541 | 3.03 | 48.47 | 284.774 | 98.193 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
2 | 954662912 | 14567 | 3.03 | 48.56 | 286.967 | 100.603 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
3 | 959381504 | 14639 | 3.05 | 48.80 | 284.116 | 98.112 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
4 | 947716096 | 14461 | 3.01 | 48.20 | 286.173 | 99.128 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
5 | 955318272 | 14577 | 3.04 | 48.59 | 286.639 | 100.576 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
6 | 960233472 | 14652 | 3.05 | 48.84 | 285.314 | 98.356 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
7 | 957546496 | 14611 | 3.04 | 48.70 | 287.309 | 102.341 | c:\temp\testfile.dat (15GiB)
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total: 7641759744 | 116604 | 24.29 | 388.68 | 285.808 | 99.758

total:
%-ile | Read (ms) | Write (ms) | Total (ms)
----------------------------------------------
min | 3.384 | 2.193 | 2.193
25th | 204.069 | 255.489 | 214.836
50th | 230.440 | 281.170 | 254.376
75th | 269.826 | 314.423 | 295.324
90th | 338.094 | 352.563 | 347.093
95th | 408.343 | 386.474 | 398.219
99th | 622.458 | 750.348 | 654.924
3-nines | 925.564 | 1079.021 | 1047.529
4-nines | 1345.373 | 1172.517 | 1276.759
5-nines | 1696.298 | 1193.568 | 1695.573
6-nines | 1822.909 | 1218.004 | 1822.909
7-nines | 1822.909 | 1218.004 | 1822.909
8-nines | 1822.909 | 1218.004 | 1822.909
9-nines | 1822.909 | 1218.004 | 1822.909
max | 1822.909 | 1218.004 | 1822.909

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

SUBHAJIT KHANBARMAN_1 — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 12:01:44 GMT

@TigerRool10-1 .....Checked your query and test output but this is done at the VM level with the help of Diskspd tool which is Microsoft specific. This forum is exclusively for MSA queries and you need to check Performance for MSA at the block level.

In order to troubleshoot Performance issue, there are many factors involved and it's not straight forward task. Some of the best practice to follow can be no hardware issue should exist, firmware need to be up to date, Connected system like Servers, SAN Switch all need to be up to date with driver/firmware as well.

Need to check what is the block size set at the Host and depends on that we should check if you want high IOPs or high throughput. Specifically, the smaller the I/O size, the more I/Os per second (IOPS) the SAN can process. However, the corollary to this is a decrease in throughput (as measured in MB/s). Conversely, as I/O size increases, IOPS decreases but throughput increases. When an I/O gets above a certain size, latency also increases as the time required to transport each I/O increases such that the disk itself is no longer the major influence on latency.

Typically, workloads can be defined by four categories—I/O size, reads vs. writes, sequential vs. random, and queue depth.
A typical application usually consists of a mix of reads and writes, and sequential and random.
For example, a Microsoft® SQL Server instance running an OLTP type workload might see disk IO that is 8k size, 80 percent read, and 100 percent random.
A disk backup target on the other hand might see disk IO that is 64k or 256K in size, with 90 percent writes and 100 percent sequential.

The type of workload will affect the results of the performance measurement.

Check this below Customer Advisory and disable "In-band SES" ,

https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c05306564

You can check the below Customer Advisory as well.........in many situations this helped to improve performance,

https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c03473698

If you have specific requirement and you want only SSD pages to deal with your IO then use 'Tier Affinity' on the particular volume.

If you still face performance issue then at the time of performance issue happening capture the below outputs atleast 10 to 15 times along with MSA log and log a HPE support case. They will help you.

# show controller-statistics
# show disk-statistics
# show host-port-statistics
# show vdisk-statistics
# show volume-statistics

Hope this helps!
Regards
Subhajit

I am an HPE employee

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Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:46:25 GMT

Hi Subhajit

Very kind of you to respond. The issue is this - I don't know if I have a performance issue - the MSA is not in production yet and I'm simply stress testing it myself.

However you have seen my other postings about extending the size of a pool (and extending a volume) and the problems it is causing me. You and a colleague kindly pointed out that the MSA2040 firmware is not supported with VMWARE 6.7.

I'm following this up with my vendor and vmware (very very slow).

If they do not get back to me in 24 hours I'll downgrade to ESXi 6.5 (which is supported) and run all my tests again (extending a Pool, extending a volume and performance).

ta,

p.s. Please note my MSA 2040 was purchased with only 10 disks (6 SAS 4 SSD)- so it will be extended in the future - no doubt.

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

SUBHAJIT KHANBARMAN_1 — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 01:29:24 GMT

@TigerRool10-1 ......Yes you are correct as of now MSA2040 not yet tested with ESX6.7 so any outcome will be unpredictable.

I do agree with your stress testing but we understand and do the analysis for MSA only in this forum. So application level or OS level testing only Microsoft expert can help you.

If you downgrade to ESX6.5 and use with MSA2040 then kindly follow the instruction that I have suggested, this will help you for sure when you use this MSA for production.

If you still look for more information then kindly mention the same so that MSA experts can help you or else you can close this forum as of now.

Hope this helps!
Regards
Subhajit

I am an HPE employee

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Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

Brice13 — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 14:23:27 GMT

I see that vsphere 6.5 U2 is not supported right now by MSA 2040, is that correct ?

What about compatibility with the new firmware GL225P001 ? (6.5 U2 and 6.7, U1 ?)

Thanks

Brice

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

SUBHAJIT KHANBARMAN_1 — Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:15:43 GMT

Yes ESX 6.5 U2 not yet tested by HPE with MSA2040

Infact even VMWare website also shows MSA2040 supported upto ESX 6.5 U1

Attached are the screenshots for your reference

Yes GL225R003 is supported with MSA2040 and ESX 6.5 U1

There is no firmware called GL225P001

Please find the link to check all firmware details,

https://h41111.www4.hpe.com/storage/msafirmware.html

Hope this helps!
Regards
Subhajit

I am an HPE employee

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Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

Brice13 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:35:24 GMT

Thanks,

In SPOCK i found this firmware, wich seems not be available right noxw :

https://h20272.www2.hpe.com/SPOCK/Content/ExportPDFView.aspx?Id=16122&typeId=1&lang=en&cc=us&hpappid=117135_SPOCK_PRO_HPE

I think it's the next release.

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:18:51 GMT

Hi Brice13

I can see that this link is referring to FC, Fibre Channel.....

I've gone through SPOCK and cannot even find the link you sent! would you know if there is a firmware update for the 2040 with iSCSI controllers?

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

Brice13 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 13:41:06 GMT

Sorry, i thought firmware are the same for iSCSI and FC MSA,

https://h20272.www2.hpe.com/SPOCK/Content/ComponentDetail.aspx?CompId=16122

Is this the next release for the MSA2040 FC ?

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:02:48 GMT

Oh! maybe you are correct - maybe there is only one version. I've no idea! Maybe Subhajit would know?

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

SUBHAJIT KHANBARMAN_1 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:16:08 GMT

@TigerRool10-1

I would suggest not to consider any firmware if it's not mentioned in the below website,

www.hpe.com/storage/MSAFirmware

If there was something mentioned like GL225P001 but now it't not there then don't consider this. As HPE follow SPOCK only for support perspective which is updated latest. This HPE tech forum will not discuss anything about future firmware versions.

For MSA2040 FC/iSCSI/SAS GL225R003 is the latest firmware and this is same firmware for all these models.

You can also check SPOCK link,

https://h20272.www2.hpe.com/spock2/Cont/ConfigsetView/index/99069

Hope this helps!
Regards
Subhajit

I am an HPE employee

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Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

Brice13 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:44:15 GMT

Ok thanks !

Brice

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:01:48 GMT

Hi Subhajit

Understood mate - thanks for the information.

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

TigerRool10-1 — Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:25:47 GMT

removing this comment

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

grimson — Wed, 01 May 2019 20:25:33 GMT

Came here for ESXi6.5U2 support of this MSA2040 model
https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/detail.php?deviceCategory=san&productid=36230
The MSA2040 is a 'rebranded' Dot Hill AssuredSAN 4524 according to Google.
This Dot Hill SAN does support all the way up to ESXi 6.7U2.
So HPE .. at least support the whole ESXi6.5U branch!???

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

Shawn_K — Wed, 01 May 2019 20:59:46 GMT

Hello,

Just to clarify some confusion that is in this thread. The latest firwmare from the MSA 2040/1040 is GL225P001. This firmware will apply to FC, iSCSI, (SAN) and SAS. GL225P001 is listed in SPOCK and the MSA Firmware site as the latest version.

Additionally, the MSA 2040 is an End of Life array. While these systems are still under active support, HPE will no longer test and qualify newer OS versions or configurations. This is also why if you check the VMware support site, they do not have their newer OS versions listed with the MSA 2040.

As pointed out earlier you should check configuration of systems in SPOCK: https://h20272.www2.hpe.com/spock/

For the latest MSA Firmware version please refer to the following link: https://h41111.www4.hpe.com/storage/msafirmware.html

Cheers,
Shawn

I work for Hewlett Packard Enterprise. The comments in this post are my own and do not represent an official reply from HPE. No warranty or guarantees of any kind are expressed in my reply.

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

grimson — Thu, 02 May 2019 10:20:57 GMT

Regarding to ESXi6.5:

Clients buy the MSA2040 and use ESXi6.5 according to the supported configuration.
Then Vmware make updates available like ESXi6.5 patches .. then U1 .. patches .. and U2 comes around.
So HPE forces the client NOT TO PATCH anymore like security of product defects because there are no patches for U1.

HPE forces to keep the client on ESXi6.5U1 for a year now while critical product updates are available but only because they exist in a cumulative update (aka the latest) you cannot update!

So does that nog invalidate the WHOLE ESX6.5 'support'? To me support is all versions of ESXi6.5 and not forcibly witheld the client the U2 and other critical updates. This is no support at all. Better reverse to ESXi6.0 then?

The MSA2040 was a good combi with ProliantGen9 servers, alle Gen9 servers still supported on ESXi6.5U2 .. but the MSA?
h17007.www1.hpe.com/us/en/enterprise/servers/supportmatrix/vmware.aspx
Not a single DL server stops the support within the ESX6.x lifetime, the MSA does.

How about compatibility to the latest HPE Vipsdepot with ESXi6.5u1? and the firmware updates? Still supported with U1 only? A support mess to find out :(
Well OK http://vibsdepot.hpe.com/hpq/recipes/HPE-VMware-Recipe.pdf page 4 lists U1 supported with april 2019 psp.

I was tempted to update a client with ESXi6.0 to ESXi6.5 or newer but because HPE forbids to update to the latest known updates (and fixes) of ESXi6.5 this is out of the question. And sitting on ESXi6.5U1 with known issues but again CANNOT update because of HPE its not really an acceptable thing is it?

Not a really good sign to your customers if you ask me... please change my mind :)

Re: Disk Performance - VMWARE 6.7, MSA2040 SAS and software iSCSI

JeroenL — Tue, 14 May 2019 09:55:44 GMT

Why not supporting newer VMware updates within the same version, while Microsoft is doing the same with Windows 2016 and it's large Anual updates and here HPE doesn't look behind the "DOT" for the version number.

Windows 2016 as of may 2019 is completely different as Windows 2016 from early 2017, but this IS supported while obviously no testing takes place in these cases as well? How can you garantee data integrity if, as I may quote your own words " HPE will no longer test and qualify newer OS versions or configurations."?

Why is this different than the VMware situation? Your clients don't ask for ESXi. 6.7 to be supported, they only want their 6.5 versions to be supported so they can remain secure and don't have to complete a jigsaw puzzle each time an update is introduced for their Gen9 Proliant servers.

Now they might be confronted with a "NO Supported configuration" notification if they call support if a minor VMware update forced the U2 installation in the background.

Otherwise introduce a fancy upgrade program and let MSAx04x users upgrade to an MSAx05x version for a reasonable price!