topic Re: any problem with the high wio% in Operating System - HP-UX

any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:17:49 GMT

A customer complained that their wio% is high(50%).

Here is my sar output(average)
%usr %sys %wio %idle
Average 35 8 55 2
runq-sz %runocc swpq-sz %swpocc
Average 1.2 6 0.0 0

bread/s lread/s %rcache bwrit/s lwrit/s %wcache pread/s pwrit/s
Average 0 4521 100 7 44 84 3519 293

swpin/s bswin/s swpot/s bswot/s pswch/s
Average 0.00 0.0 0.00 0.0 14173

scall/s sread/s swrit/s fork/s exec/s rchar/s wchar/s
Average 35173 8372 3540 13.08 11.67 9280218 29881

iget/s namei/s dirbk/s
Average 4 557 0

rawch/s canch/s outch/s rcvin/s xmtin/s mdmin/s
Average 0 0 0 0 0 0
msg/s sema/s
Average 1.12 973.43

Due to the limited space in question window, pls find a complet sar log attached.Pls note that the io of all disks is very good.This is a typical picture:

Average c13t4d1 24.92 0.50 36 632 5.00 8.98

Can anyone help me to find out why wio% is so high while the io of disks is good, the
%rcache is 100%, the %wcache is 84% ???

Thank you in advance. Do i have to provide any additional log , for exmaple, vmstat, iostat, top?

Re: any problem with the high wio%

harry d brown jr — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:37:48 GMT

Yang,

can you attach that again, but this time as a text file?

live free or die
harry

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Stefan Farrelly — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:40:40 GMT

Yes, a wio% of 55 is absolutely terrible. You are completely i/o bound. As a guide;

<5 is perfect
5-20 is busy but not excessive
>20 is completely i/o bound

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Ian Dennison_1 — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:42:37 GMT

Yang,

Can't open the zip archive, it says it is corrupt.

Do you have Glance on your Server? I believe there is a free trial version on the Application CDs (probably CD # 2 or # 1). If you install this, you can examine the processes running to find out which ones are waiting for I/O.

Without Glance, I would suggest the following,...

'vmstat' - will show count of processes blocked for resources, and activity on the memory (pages freed and allocation).

How big is swap and how full is it (swapinfo -ta)? If you see deactivations on vmstat, you are running out of memory.

Buffer Cache should be no larger than 400M (rule of thumb), but if you have some spare memory, bump it up by 100M or so and see what happens.

Check top and see how much time the system spends in system mode - is the User Mode chewing up the Wait IO or is it the OS managing itself that causes the wait.

This is a big area to examine - check out previous posts on performance, and look at training or a good book (HP-UX Performance Tuning by Weygant and Saurs is a fantastic reference).

Best of luck Ian

Re: any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:43:09 GMT

The text file will be 2.80M.
I will upload the last part of sar, average numbers.
Thank you.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Stefan Farrelly — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:43:23 GMT

This could be caused by having too many disks on each controller. What is the output from;
ioscan -fknCdisk

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Stefan Farrelly — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:49:17 GMT

Yes, you have far too many disks (all c13's and c14's) one each controller and theyre all busy in varying degrees which means your poor controller is flooded. You need to add more i/o (scis/fibre) controllers.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

harry d brown jr — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:51:00 GMT

What's going on with these disk devices??

Average c13t5d0 14.80 32767.50 33 549 5.00 5.81
Average c13t5d1 12.33 32767.50 31 555 4.99 4.72

Average c14t4d4 12.63 32767.50 31 554 5.00 5.03
Average c14t4d5 13.38 32767.50 31 558 4.95 5.38

What OS release are you running and what is the latest patch bundle you have installed?

live free or die
harry

Re: any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:45:37 GMT

Harry:
I don't know why there are such high queue length for the 4 disks.I will figure out the application running on them.Do you think it is the 4 devices causing too high wio%?

Re: any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:10:58 GMT

stefan:
Thank u for u help.
I found there are 4 HBA's in host hbsd1.But
C13,C14,C17,C18 are actually two HBA's, they are bound to 3aa,14aa, and see about 144 devices.
And C21,C23 are another two HBA's, and they are bound to 3BA,14ba, and they see about 40 devices.
Pls confirm these tommorrow.

For i am not onsite, i have to rely on my onsite colleague to get necessary logs.Sorry for my being unable to provide quickly

Re: any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:19:36 GMT

Harry:
OS level: B.11.11.
model:9000/800/SD16000

about the patch level, can you find it in my attachment?
The zip file is all that i can give, which is produced by a script, named emcgrab.Yes, we are dealing with an EMC Symmetrix connecting to HP superdome.

From the zip file, you can see many, many stuffs, but definitely i have to get more from customer.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Steven E. Protter — Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:11:46 GMT

1 Meg limit on attachements here, thats why the zip archive is corrupt.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Stefan Farrelly — Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:04:16 GMT

If its running on EMC the performance should be ok - it seems you have uneven performance - some devices are running very heavy compares to others.

Are you using EMC Optimizer ? this is like a load balancer - it monitors all devices on the EMC and then moves the data around to even the load across all devcies. Once this is done your stats on the HP will show a nice even (low) disk usage across all devices and performance will be a lot lot better and your wio% should drop a lot. As a guide - our EMC devices on HP servers with EMC Optimzer configured all run with a wio% of 5 or less - even with heavy i/o.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

John Bolene — Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:39:38 GMT

EMC should be running better than that.

How many disc adapters do you have?

Most EMC are also set for the 2nd outstanding write to wait on the 1st. With many writes, this can cause a lot of wait. Most microcode levels allow this to be set higher.

Curious how much cache is in the EMC? This may need to be higher.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

yang haijun — Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:54:42 GMT

The cache in Symmetrix is 16GB, big enough, I think.

On symmetrix side, there are totally 4 fibre channel ports for the superdome, but we can see that only c13,c14 is in use, i can see from our log(sorry that i am unable to upload to size limit) that 2 FA ports are used by HP superdome.
I do not think channel throughput is a problem, since we are using 2GB adapters.

I have seen some docuements saying that %wio is another kind of idle,which can indicate either that IO is too sluggish or CPU is too fast.I can say that the IO for each disk is very good, justified by very nice number of avwait and avserv.

If the customer adds one or more Oracle instance on the server, i think wio% can go down due to continual IO feeding by parallel process/threads. It that correct?

Another thing I wish to clarify is the extremely high avque(about 32000) for the 4 devices as mentioned by Harry. It is such a weird number. And I have examined LVM layout, the 4 disks are no more than different from others, and LVs are created in host striping manner, the 4 devices are with many volume residing on them.I am really puzzled by this monster like number.

Pls cast some light on this, especially whether the high %wio is a bad thing or an usual thing?

Thank you.

Re: any problem with the high wio%

Stefan Farrelly — Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:19:34 GMT

Have a look at Bill Hassel's reply in a very similar question here;

http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/QuestionAnswer/1,,0x3da54a988422d711abdc0090277a778c,00.html

With a wio% that high its definitely an i/o issue, the question is what to do to isolate or fix it.

With 2Gb connections to the EMC theyre not going to be the problem, the problem is either the EMC is having trouble keeping up with the large number of i/o requests - and EMC can check this for you and tell if you if certain physical disks in the Symmetrix are thrashing (Optimizer can report and fix it), or, in my opinion, you have too many i/o requests going to particlular EMC luns (/dev/dsk/.. entries).

Certainly something to try is stripe your lvols across all available channels and devices to even out the io load - this should increase throughput considerably - unless the problem is at the EMC end. You need to investigate both possibilities.