topic Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date in Operating System - HP-UX

Changing & Synchronizing system date

John Jayaseelan — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:50:23 GMT

Hi,

-Is it possible to just change the (HP-UX 11.0) system date without changing the other attributes (month, year, hour, mintues etc), If so how?

- How to synchronize system date and time of HP_UX server against other HP_UX server.

Thanks
John Jayaseelan

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

James R. Ferguson — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:54:55 GMT

Hi John:

You need to configurate Network Time Protocol (NTP) to synchronize your server's clock to an external time source.

Chapter-7 of "Installing and Administering Internet Services" provides a good discussion of 'ntpd' implementation for HP-UX.

http://docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/B2355-90685/B2355-90685.html

For a list of external sources from which to derive correct time, and for other, general information see here:

http://www.ntp.org/index.html

Your internal clock runs UTC (Universal Time) but the value of your TIMEZONE (TZ) determines the *external*, user-perceived date and time (EST, MST, etc.).

Regards!

...JRF...

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Zeev Schultz — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:59:41 GMT

1)using /usr/bin/date,read man date 4 more.
2)using ntp protocol.man xntpd,man ntpdate.

Zeev

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

John Jayaseelan — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:09:30 GMT

Hi,

Some posting in the forums say changing the system date might affect OS installation. If so, What are all the issues in changing the system date and how that can be rectified.

Thanks
John Jayaseelan

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Zeev Schultz — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:16:35 GMT

Please clarify,installing an OS after system time change can affect... If you perform clean
install you're choosing the time zone,am I correct?Or you mean update-install...
Post such a link where the things are.

Zeev

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Darren Prior — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:36:41 GMT

Hi John,

In which direction are you intending to change the date, and by how many days?

regards,

Darren.

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

John Jayaseelan — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:25:23 GMT

Hi,

Just increase the date by 5 days without altering the time,year,minutes etc. Is it possible to just change the date in the system date without altering other attributes. If so how the date command needs to be used. help pages does not reveal much.

After testing synchronize the date time with Other HP-UX server.

Thanks

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Stuart Abramson_2 — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:30:54 GMT

1. You can change the date. If you change forward, not much happens. If you change backward, UNIX doesn't mind much, but Oracle will duplicate timestamps on records and have a fit.

2. You synchronize time with NTP, Network Time Protocl, xntpd. Email if you want setup details.

Stuart

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Chris Vail — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:39:29 GMT

Let me advise you to seriously check out Time Machine, from www.solution-soft.com/timemachine.shtml

This replaces the clock driver normally resident in the kernel with its own application software. That means that you can have your operating system at perfectly synchronized time, but your applications (oracle, anything/anybody else)have their own exclusive date and time. You can give them permission to set their own date stamp. They can "freeze" time so that their clock doesn't advance. You could have 200 users, each with a different time stamp.

Its a nice piece of software, and not horribly expensive ($8k USD). They give a free 30 day trial, so you should look into this.

Chris

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

twang — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:45:44 GMT

1. Set the date to Jun 18, 10:35 p.m.
# date 06182235
2. Setup NTP,
2.1.server
# vi /etc/ntp.conf
server 127.127.1.1
fudge 127.127.1.1 stratum 10
# vi /etc/rc.config.d/netdaemons
NTPDATE_SERVER=
XNTPD=1
XNTPD_ARGS
# /sbin/init.d/xntpd start
2.2.client
# vi /etc/ntp.conf
server 128.1.1.1
driftfile /etc/ntp.drift
# vi /etc/rc.config.d/netdaemons
NTPDATE_SERVER=128.1.1.1
XNTPD=1
XNTPD_ARGS=
# /sbin/init.d/xntpd start
2.3 to make the change
# ntpdate tick.usnogps.navy.mil

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

twang — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:45:55 GMT

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Bill Douglass — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:53:11 GMT

John, the system date is stored in terms of secords from the epoch (Jan 1, 1970). The clock has no concepts of days, week, months etc. So no, you can't chnage just the day of month, because there is no such beast in the system.

You can achieve the same thing by carefuly formatting the date string when using the date command

date MMDDhhmm

MM = Month
DD = day of month
hh = hour
mm = minutes

These are the minimum values you must specify with the date command.

If you set up ntp on your host, then you can use the ntpdate command to sync your clock initially, and run the xntpd daemon to keep it in sync. Keep in mind that if you set the system clock to a specific value, ntp will override this with whatever time its sources claim is accurate.

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

John Jayaseelan — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:33:28 GMT

Hi,

Is the following syntax correct to just change the system date to 25 leaving attributes as it is.

date `date "+%m25%H%M%S"`
When tried, received the following message
date: exceeds maximum date.

When tried without %S date `date "+%m25%H%M"` got the message 'date: do you really want to run time backwards?[yes/no]'.

Could you please confirm changing the time does not affect the OS.

Thanks

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Bill Douglass — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:43:27 GMT

The format specifiers (the %M, %S and so on) are only used for printing out the current date/time in a specific way. They are not used when changing the date.

To do so, you must use the syntax

date MMDDhhmm[ccyy]

e.g.

date 061810382003

You must specify at ;east the month, day, hour and minutes. Century and year are optional.

If you change the date, you may affect certain programs on your system. Examples of this(as mentioned) are Oracle, crond, make, SCCS, and any currently running programs that make time-based calculations. See the warnings section of the date man page for more specifics.

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Caesar_3 — Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:39:04 GMT

Hello!

For sync the time you can use the ntp
or you can use the rdate that i added
to this msg.
Check it it's compiled for hpux
usage: rdate

Caesar

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

John Jayaseelan — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:18:09 GMT

Hi,

rdate is not available in HP-UX 11 server.

Thanks

Re: Changing & Synchronizing system date

Caesar_3 — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 21:20:57 GMT

Hello!

Yes it's not part of hpux so if you check
you will see that i added compiled version
for hpux to my prev. msg
Save it, unzip and use.

Caesar