topic Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working. in Operating System - HP-UX

no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Hanry Zhou — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:44:37 GMT

If I type ps -ef | grep sendmail, it is not running, but the system is able to send out emails, and seems working ok. why?
the script /sbin/init.d/sendmail shows "sendmil -bd.."

Also when I do telnet mysystem 25, get connection refused. where prohibits the connection, and why?

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Brian Bergstrand — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:48:29 GMT

Sendmail doesn't have to be running as a daemon to send out mail. It only has to be running as a daemon if you want to recieve mail from other machines on your machine (via SMTP, not POP, IMAP). You can even deliver mail to local acct's w/o running in daemon mode as long as you have sendmail running from cron every 10 minutes or so to process the queue.

HTH.

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Hanry Zhou — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:52:32 GMT

Brian,

The starting script /sbin/init.d/sendmail does start the sendmail by using -bd option, and it seems starting sendmail as daemon mode ( am I right?).

The cron job doesn't have sendmail configured.

Also whey get connectin refused when I run telnet mysystem 25? PrivacyOption =authwarning only

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Patrick Wallek — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:58:10 GMT

Your /sbin/init.d/sendmail script will only start sendmail if the line SENDMAIL_SERVER (or something close to that) is set to 1 in /etc/rc.config.d/mailservs.

You get connection refused when you telnet to port 25, because sendmail is not running. If you do a 'ps -ef | grep sendmail' and you don't get any results then sendmail is not running.

As said, sendmail does not have to be running in order for you to send mail *from* your HP-UX box. I don't run sendmail on any of my machines if I can help it.

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Michael Steele_2 — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:58:44 GMT

Please run and paste:

sendmail -v you@your_domain.com < /dev/null

Anything about ;; AUTHORITY SECTION?

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Steven E. Protter — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:07:05 GMT

sendmail will send out mail when told to regardless of whether the daemon is running....

/sbin/init.d/sendmail start

to get it cooking

For permanence /etc/rc.config.d/mailservs

export SENDMAIL_SERVER=1

If thats set and it failed, there is another issue. This can be found at start in /etc/rc.log and /var/adm/syslog/mail.log

SEP

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Brian Bergstrand — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:10:55 GMT

Hanry,

As Patrick said, you have to enable sendmail server mode in /etc/rc.config.d/mailservs. If SERVER is not set to 1, then sendmail will not be started by /sbin/init.d/sendmail.

From the init file:

MAIL_SERVER=${SENDMAIL_SERVER:-0}

...

if [ $MAIL_SERVER -eq 1 ] ; then
...
fi

HTH.

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Hanry Zhou — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:15:07 GMT

Ok. the MAILSERVER_NAME is currently is set to "0", so understood why it is not running, so does that mean the sendmail.cf will not take any effect?

Also, why I am still able to send out emails?

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Uday_S_Ankolekar — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:30:54 GMT

No need to have sendmail running to send out e-mails but to receive probably yes.
You are getting telnet 25 refused because your sendmail is not running.

-USA..

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Brian Bergstrand — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:42:00 GMT

sendmail.cf is processed whenever sendmail is started, whether from the init script or from someone just running it from the shell to deliver one e-mail.

As said before, there is no need for sendmail to be running permantly in the background to deliver mail. Mail is delivered by a separate sendmail process. For instance, when you run 'mailx -s "Hello" user@host' mailx starts a sendmail process to deliver the mail. Once it is deliverd, the sendmail process exits. It does not continue to run, nor does it ever open a listen connection on port 25.

HTH.

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Hanry Zhou — Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:49:19 GMT

Brian,

Ok, vey well put.

However, how come the mailx can initiate sendmail, and send my email out, I mean what the mechnism/configuration behind the scene?

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Hanry Zhou — Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:49:57 GMT

Just wanted to post my previous question again:

Ok, vey well put.
However, how come the mailx can initiate sendmail, and send my email out, I mean what the mechnism/configuration behind the scene?

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Brian Bergstrand — Wed, 08 Oct 2003 11:55:05 GMT

Hanry,

mailx doesn't do anything special at all. It just execs sendmail with the arguments needed to send the mail. You can do the same thing from the command line:

sendmail -t << EOF
To: user@host
From: Me
Subject: hello

Hello world!!
EOF

You really should read the sendmail manpage; it explains a lot of what sendmail does to get mail delivered. Also, you should assign points to those responded to your questions.

HTH.

Re: no sendmail daemon running, but it is working.

Naveej.K.A — Wed, 08 Oct 2003 23:22:25 GMT

hi hanry,
Sendmail is a mail transfer agent. It uses sendmail.cf as its configuration files.

The system sends out email through the MTA or mail transfer agent which you have configured in your system. Postfix, smail, qmail, and exim are some of the other MTAs. possibly your system might be running some other MTAs.

Regards
Naveej