topic Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences. in Operating System - HP-UX

Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Gino Castoldi_2 — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:47:06 GMT

Hi,

Svr: HPUX 11.11 2GB Ram Oracle 8.1.7.0 MC/SG 11.04 OVO 7.1 L3000

I am trying to determine how much free memory we have at any given point in time on our server. I am using glance and vmstat. I get two completly different numbers.

glance:
Free Mem: 270.3mb
vmstat:
r b w avm free
2 1 0 140078 69149

Any ideas as to what I should be using for metrics? (I want to gather some data for Oracle/kernel tuning purposes).

10 points to any good answer.
TIA, Gino

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Geoff Wild — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:49:36 GMT

Herfe's a c program that someone in the forumns wrote called memdetail.

Output like:

# memdetail
Memory Stat total used avail %used
physical 10080.0 3115.4 6964.6 31%
active virtual 657.2 534.5 122.7 81%
active real 313.3 220.8 92.5 70%
memory swap 7697.2 1771.9 5925.3 23%
device swap 26528.0 382.6 26145.4 1%

Rgds...Geoff

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Pete Randall — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:51:29 GMT

Gino,

I would always trust Glance over vmstat. The legacy tools like vmstat were developed years ago in the infancy of unix and don't always deal well with today's modern systems. Glance, on the other hand, has been designed, developed and improved over the years to give an accurate picture of what's really going on. That's why you spent the money for it, to trust it.

Pete

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Gino Castoldi_2 — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:55:20 GMT

Hi,

Pete:
Makes sense, vmstat was not created when
multi-cpu, etc. were available.

Geoff:
Does that "c" program work with hp-ux 11.11?

10 points to any good answer.
TIA, Gino

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Geoff Wild — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:56:14 GMT

Yes it does - I run it on 11.11 and 11.0....

Rgds...Geoff

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Sridhar Bhaskarla — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:01:10 GMT

Hi,

Glance: 270.3 MB
vmstat: 69149 pages = 69149*4 = 276596

That's almost equal??.

-Sri

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Sridhar Bhaskarla — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:02:57 GMT

Hi (Again),

I could have made it little better.

276596/1024 = 270.11 MB

Am I missing anything here?.

-Sri

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

RAC_1 — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:06:42 GMT

Gurus,

Would it be Ok to get as follows?

echo "freemem/D"|adb -k /stand/vmunix /dev/kmem

Re: Memory - Glance vs. vmstat differences.

Bill Hassell — Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:34:08 GMT

Free memory in HP-UX is never a simple question because HP-uX is a virtual memory system. Having truly free memory means that you're not using all the RAM you paid for. Often the question about free memory comes up from DBAs when they get cryptic Oracle (or Sybase, Informix, etc) error messages stating that the program is out of memory or not enough memory. I say cryptic because almost none of them define the memory category (ie, local or shared) and this makes troubleshooting difficult.

swapinfo -tm is the best way to see available memory. The total memory available is RAM + some % swap space. As mentioned, Glance shows actual memory usage and is much more accurate than vmstat or top.

There have been several posts here in the forums about Oracle and memory problems. Since you have only 2Gb of RAM, you are definitely going to feel performance pain with a lot of users. swapinfo will tell you (as well as Glance) how mush swap is being used. But also note that there are sysadmin safety fences (maxdsiz and ulimit -a) that will prevent programs from getting as much memory as they need. Read the memory and process management white papers (docs.hp.com) that talk about the limits for 32bit programs.