topic Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports? in Operating System - HP-UX

Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:04:13 GMT

Hi all ,

One Query ,

I have HP-UX B.11.00

I want to install Veritas Volume Manager provided By HP.

Does This version supports VxVM , which comes with the OS and free.

Thanks ,
R Veri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Karthik S S — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:13:29 GMT

Hi,

I am afraid I didn't understand your question properly. Base VxVM (Veritas Volume Manager with limited functionalities) does only come with HP-UX 11.11. If you are planning to install Base VXVM product of HP-UX 11.11 on to HP-UX 11.00 I am not sure if it will work.

-Karthik S S

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:20:44 GMT

Thanks Karthik , for clearing my doubt.

Yes i wanted to know that , from which version of HP-UX VxVM is Free.

Because i am having B.11.00 . I want to use VxVM . Is there any way to do it , without purchasing the Software from Veritas.

Thanks , got 10 Points.

R Veri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Todd McDaniel_1 — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:24:49 GMT

Not totally sure of your premise for the question...

HPUX offers vxfs filesystem with JFS Online software...and advanced features if you have the license for it using the "fsadm" tool...

I doubt you can get anything for free from HPUX or Veritas, but vxfs does come with HPUX.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:33:16 GMT

Thanks Todd , But , I have asked for VxVM [ Veritas Volume Manager Support] not [Veritas File System ]

Hope u can put a comment now. !!

Thanks ,

Rveri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Todd McDaniel_1 — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:37:46 GMT

Occasionally HPUX will offer packages with new systems as you are suggesting you want.

I dont think what you are asking is possible.

VXVM is a proprietary product, they aint gonna give it away... I think you will have to purchase it.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:51:14 GMT

Thanks Tod ,

But in which version of Hp-UX VxVM is free.
I think 11.i onwards Veritas Voume Manager is Inbuilt.

Thanks ,

Rveri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Todd McDaniel_1 — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:57:49 GMT

Sorry bro.. A year ago, I had 2 brand new systems installed, a Superdome and a Keystone which didnt have VXVM on them... only Online JFS and vxfs...and they were both loaded with Mission Critical OS as well. Which "gives you everything" that is included for free, so to speak, that HP offers.

Might be a new offer, but I am not aware of it.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Raj D. — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:31:23 GMT

Dear R Veri ,

The Simple answer is No , It Supports onward HP-UX 11i . For B.11.00 if u want to have Veritas Volume Manager , u need to Purchase VxVM , and install.

visit www.veritas.com/products for details info

Thanks.

Raj D.
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Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:43:10 GMT

Sorry ..for getting confuse ,

There is no inbuilt VXVM features for any version of HP-UX , as i found from the following site ,
http://www.software.hp.com/RELEASES-MEDIA/latest/osoe/11i/1202.htm

It supports ignite-UX for VxVM , that made me confused. And it is available from 11i.

Here is the detail ,

"
HP-UX 11i Operating Environment for December 2002

Ignite-UX has been updated to version B.3.8. This latest version includes changes to support VxVM on root file system and changes
to make_*_recovery. This VxVM feature is only available by selecting this option when installing your system from the Sept. 2002
release of the 11i OE media or from Ignite depots based on this release. For more information on these changes and others can be
"

Thanks to all who replied. Thanks Karthik , Todd .

Rveri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Alzhy — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:11:58 GMT

R Veri,

With HP-UX 11.0, you will need to purchase VxVM. With HP-UX 11.11 (11i), the "base" version is bundled even with the Foundation OS as an alternative to HP's LVM. What can you do with the base? Practically a lot already in a "free" product -- among other things - You get Mirroring for Free (but only on your rootDG or OS disks)!

A couple of moons ago, VxVM was touted to replace LVM. It still is.. in fact rootability (OS disk encapsulation/boot) has been supported since early 2002. Patches still do come out and support for EVA/SecurePath is coming along. Bottom line - if your array disks are already PATH protected (SecurePath) -- you won't need the full license to make good use of VxVM.. and do away with LVM..

What is ahead? It may be that HP may no longer bundle VxVM with HP-UX. It's rumoured that HP-UX 11.11 V 3.0 will get Tru64's VM and Filesystem -- to make the OS "friendly" with the EVA (HP's own enterprise array).. That'll make Vilume Management on the HPUX side obsolete IF using EVA's/HP's storage -- sizing the LUNs on the array also sizes the filesystem.. neat huh?

As a sidebar: People mostly get confused with VxVM and VxFS(aka Online JFS) .. both are Veritas products, On eis Volume Management Product -- the other is a Filesystem product..

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Todd McDaniel_1 — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:16:00 GMT

From what I heard from my HP CE...

He said VXVM will never replace LVM... but would be offered. That the will always offer LVM for clients who dont want the overhead of VXVM and VXFS...

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Alzhy — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:25:55 GMT

Todd.. in case you don't know. VxFS is HP-UX's ONLY enterpise class Filesystem.. JFS/Online-JFS IS Veritas Filesystem (VxFS).. Unless you want to run hfs/ufs on HP-UX. you have no choice but to use JFS (aka VxFS)... now don't say another option would be to use raw -- which is NOT a Filesystem ;^)

AFAIC.. VxVM is still the best volume management software out there - if you have a disk team, they bring there skills from platform to another (Solaris, HP, AIX, Linux even Windows...) And no hardware agenda...

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Todd McDaniel_1 — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:36:37 GMT

I never said VXVM wasnt a good product..

I only said HP will never offer VXVM as a replacement for LVM and Online JFS as a permanent replacement.

Mainly b/c they dont own it...

no points on this post.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Bill Hassell — Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:16:01 GMT

VxVM is available on 11.00 purchased from Veritas. A newer version of VxVM has been included for 11.11 without charge. Like LVM, certain advanced features are extra cost. VxVM from 11.11 is not backward compatible with 11.00 and will not load. 11.00 is very mature (it's getting old, Nov 1997) so very little work is being done for enhancements.

VxVM is a volume manager, just like LVM. Neither VxVM or LVM know anything about filesystems and indeed, raw and swap partitions with either volume manager have no filesystems. HP-UX has two filesystems, HFS (seldom used) and VxFS. While VxFS is a Veritas product, it has no relationship or connection to VxVM or LVM. VxVM is provided on 11.11 (and higher) for customers that are already familiar with the Veritas product.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

rveri — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 02:19:50 GMT

Hi all and thanks Todd , Nelson , Bill and who all replied.

It seems more clear now. And found that VXVM is included in 11.11 version. But not all features are included.

Thanks ..to all,for clearing doubts and more info.

Regards.
Rveri.

Re: Does VXVM on HPUX 11.00 supports?

Ted Buis — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:51:50 GMT

If you want VxVM for 11i, I think you would want to purchase the full package not just use the free base product.