topic Re: SAM Quest in Operating System - HP-UX

SAM Quest

SAM TEAM — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:00:29 GMT

The Quest continues...

The search for an improved System Administration Manager (SAM) tool with capabilities that better fit your needs. If you have a moment, we'd greatly appreciate your input on these questions:

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1. What is your preferred method(s) for Backup & Recovery?
a. fbackup/frecover
b. SAM's Backup & Recovery area
c. Verita's NetBackup
d. HP's OmniBack
e. Other (please specify)

2. Do you perform the following tasks? If yes, HOW do you do them - with SAM or the system commands?
a. LVM
b. Filesystem Management
c. Swap
d. Disk Array Configuration
e. Disk Backups

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area? Which UG related tasks do you use system commands for instead? Any reasons? (Please differentiate between Local, NIS, NIS+ Users).

4. Have you ever used the HP program Top Tools? If yes, what do you use it for? do you like it? (www.hp.com/toptools)
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Thank you,
-SAM Team :)

Re: SAM Quest

Tracey — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:07:04 GMT

1. e Other - Legato
2. a. LVM - both SAM and system commands
b. Filesystem Magangement - both
c. Swap - SAM
d. Disk Array Configuration - both
e. Disk Backups - if I use fbackup, SAM, otherwise Legato.

Re: SAM Quest

Mark Vollmers — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:17:41 GMT

1) b
2a) LVM yes - SAM
2b) Filesystem Manag no
2c) Swap no
2d) Disk Array no
2e) Disk Backup - SAM
3) (in order)
Adding/removing users
Altering/reassigning passwords
Adding/removing users to additional groups
4) no

Re: SAM Quest

Frederic Soriano — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:24:13 GMT

Hi,

1. Preferred method(s) for backup/recovery
a (fbackup/frecover),
d (OB II),
e (vxdump/vxrestore, pax)

2.
LVM: system commands
FS management: ditto
Swap: ditto
Disk array cfg: ditto
Disk backups: ditto

3. We are not using SAM's UG area; instead, we are using our own set of scripts to modify users locally (files) and globally (NIS). Main reasons: NIS master server, fileserver and app server are running on different machines, so we cannot use SAM for e.g. creating home directories on fileserver, while entering new user information on NIS files. We could have done it with NIS+, but we don't want to switch.

4. No.

Best regards,

Fred.

Re: SAM Quest

Victor BERRIDGE — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:24:27 GMT

1) no preferred =>a)b)e)TSM, tar and pax

2a) both
2b) system command
2c) sam
2d) system command

3) adding/removing users and all the rest if system is trusted...
4) no

Re: SAM Quest

John Bolene — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:26:10 GMT

1. e Other - Ignite make_recovery , sometimes tar for special stuff

2. a. LVM - both SAM and system commands
b. Filesystem Mangagement - both
c. Swap - SAM
d. Disk Array Configuration - both
e. Disk Backups - Ignite make_recovery

3. add new users/ change passwords

4. never used Top Tools, not sure what it is

Re: SAM Quest

Satish Y — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:31:37 GMT

1. d and e(tar)
2. a.,b.,c.,e. command line d. SAM
3. adding/removing users, enabling/disabling users, patch installations
4. NO

Re: SAM Quest

Patrick Wallek — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:45:04 GMT

1. Preferred method for Backup & Recovery - e. Other - CA (I think) Alexandria for data. Ignite-UX make_recovery and make_tape_recovery for vg00

2. a. LVM - both, due to limitations within SAM, specifically no support for Distributed 'lvcreate -D y .....' logical volumes through sam, thus command line.
b. File System - Usually SAM - sometimes command line, depending on what needs to be done. Extending LVs generally through SAM.
c. Swap - SAM
d. Disk Array Configuration - SAM
e. Disk Backups - Command line (Ignite/UX), Alexandria GUI

3. Don't use sam for users and groups. NIS servers reside on other machines. I manually (actually via a script) add local overrides for users to passwd file and manually add entries to group file.

4. Never used Top Tools. After briefly reviewing the info. at the web address given, I don't see what it would do for me on my 9000s.

Re: SAM Quest

Brian Markus — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:19:04 GMT

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1. What is your preferred method(s) for Backup & Recovery?
d. HP's OmniBack
e. Other (please specify)
Ignite
2. Do you perform the following tasks? If yes, HOW do you do them - with SAM or the system commands?
a. LVM - both
b. Filesystem Management- both
c. Swap - sam
d. Disk Array Configuration -both
e. Disk Backups - both

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area?

Unlocking System Accounts. (ALL DAY LONG!!!)
Reset user passwords
Adding / removing users

Which UG related tasks do you use system commands for instead? Any reasons?
For my operators, they use sam exclusively.
I sometimes use:
modprpw -k user
modprpw -x user

4. Have you ever used the HP program Top Tools?
Yes

If yes, what do you use it for?

Monitoring systems if anything.

Do you like it?

It has issues. I'm kind of neutral.
The tool is very cumbersome and is a major resource hog. I tend to turn it off. I've had numerous crashes due to this tool being turned on. If this tool was optimised and made more stable I'd use it all the time. It has a lot to offer.

If they made it one one tool/service instead of about 14 services it would be better. I've found that if one service goes nuts the others dont know what to do. This generally causes the system to jump to 100% cpu utilization.

Re: SAM Quest

Rodney Hills — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:14 GMT

1 a
2 a system
b sam
c sam
3 mux-port config
file system
kernel parameter config
4 no

Re: SAM Quest

Richard Darling — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:40:37 GMT

1) a)
2) a) sam
3) add/remove users; use the command line to change passwords - faster
4) no
RD

Re: SAM Quest

Alan Riggs — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:12:55 GMT

1. What is your preferred method(s) for Backup & Recovery?
d. HP's OmniBack

2. Do you perform the following tasks? If yes, HOW do you do them - with SAM or the system commands?
a. LVM commands
b. Filesystem Management commands
c. Swap commands
d. Disk Array Configuration both
e. Disk Backups commands

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area? Which UG related tasks do you use system commands for instead? Any reasons? (Please differentiate between Local, NIS, NIS+ Users).

I do not use SAM for UG administration. (local or NIS)

4. Have you ever used the HP program Top Tools? If yes, what do you use it for? do you like it? (www.hp.com/toptools)

I have not used it.

Re: SAM Quest

James R. Ferguson — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:23:29 GMT

Hi folks!

1a -> fbackup/frecover for ad hoc utility backups; Ignite make_tape_recovery (for VG00) and 1e -> EMC's EDM (Enterprise Data Management) for daily, production backups.

2a: LVM -> System commands.
2b: FileSystems -> System commands.
2c: Swap -> SAM
2d: Disk Array Config -> SAM
2e: Disk Backups -> System commands.

3 -> Adding/removing users and groups (local only).

4 -> No knowledge/never used.

...JRF...

Re: SAM Quest

Karthik_2 — Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:00:06 GMT

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1. What is your preferred method(s) for Backup & Recovery?
a.ADSM ...(IBM,s network based backup..similar to veritas netbackup)
b. HP's OmniBack ..In order of preference.
In systems where we have a tap elibrary we use omniback.In critical systems and systems without any tape library we use ADSM

2. Do you perform the following tasks? If yes, HOW do you do them - with SAM or the system commands?
a. LVM ----command line
b. Filesystem Management ----command line
c. Swap --command line
d. Disk Array Configuration ---SAM
e. Disk Backups --command line

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area? Which UG related tasks do you use system commands for instead? Any reasons? (Please differentiate between Local, NIS, NIS+ Users).
1.User creation ..adding bulk users..template
2.Group creations ...unique gid's and uid,s
3.Trusted user management ..passwd aging..warning etc.

Cheers
Karthik...

Re: SAM Quest

Steven Sim Kok Leong — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:45:20 GMT

Hi,

1 (d).

HP Omniback is my preferred method for backup and recovery.

2. Do you perform the following tasks? If yes, HOW do you do them - with SAM or the system commands?

a. LVM

Using system commands:
- in order to specify where the mirror copy should reside ie. lvcreate followed by lvextend.
- for ease of writing a script to mass-create logical volumes and mirrors on a freshly-installed system unattended ie. a for loop integrated with a data file containing the respective LV names with their corresponding PV locations to reside on.

b. Filesystem Management

Using system commands:
- for ease of writing a script to mass-create filesystems on respective LVs, create the mount-points, modify the /etc/fstab on a freshly-installed system and mount the filesystems unattended ie. a for loop integrated with a data file containing the respective LV names with their corresponding FS mount-points to reside on and size etc.
- using fsadm, fstyp etc.
- filesystem usage monitoring through scripting

c. Swap

SAM:
- especially so when maxswapchunks needs to be modified.

d. Disk Array Configuration
- NA.

e. Disk Backups

Using system commands:
- calling omniback directly via xomni.

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area? Which UG related tasks do you use system commands for instead? Any reasons? (Please differentiate between Local, NIS, NIS+ Users).

- Restricted SAM by operators in
: creating user accounts
: changing user passwords
: re-activating of user accounts
: deleting user accounts and home directories

- Using system commands:
: script to shift ownership of all files of a specific user to another existing user including /var/mail/userid.
: script to migrate user accounts and home directories from one system to another.

4. Have you ever used the HP program Top Tools? If yes, what do you use it for? do you like it? (www.hp.com/toptools)
- NA.

Hope this helps. Regards.

Steven Sim Kok Leong
Brainbench MVP for Unix Admin
http://www.brainbench.com

Re: SAM Quest

Stefan Schulz — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:23:40 GMT

1.) e Other: Legato Networker

2a) LVM - both SAM and system commands
2b) Filesystem Magangement - both
2c) Swap - system commands
2d) Disk Array Configuration - system commands
2e) Disk Backups - if I use fbackup, SAM, otherwise Legato.

3) We don't use NIS or NIS+. i do all userconfigurations "by hand" on the commandline.

4) Never used it. Think it doesn't help me in my HP-UX environment. Though i would give it a try if it was available for HP-UX

Re: SAM Quest

Thierry Poels_1 — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:42:12 GMT

1. fbackup/frecover but migrating most servers to HP OmniBack.

2.
a. SAM & command line
b. SAM & command line
c. SAM
d. SAM
e. command line

3. creating users only
all others (editing, removing) from command line

4. No

Re: SAM Quest

Alexander M. Ermes — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:48:50 GMT

Good day, ladies and gentlemen.
Here my reply to your survey :

1 d
2 a SAM
2 b SAM
2 c both
2 d both
2 e system commands

3 add local users and groups.

4 no

Rgds
Alexander M. Ermes
;-)

Re: SAM Quest

Marcel Boon — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:18:20 GMT

Hi SAM Team,

The answers:
1) a: fbackup /frecover
2) a: system commands
b: system commands
c: SAM and system commands
d: SAM
e: system commands
3) no
4) never used before...

Marcel

Re: SAM Quest

Harri Muttilainen — Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:17:03 GMT

1.
d. HP's OmniBack

2.
a. LVM - yes, both
b. Filesystem Management - yes, both
c. Swap - no
d. Disk Array Configuration - rarely, system commands
e. Disk Backups - no

3. What are the top 3 - 5 tasks that you perform most often in SAM's User & Groups (UG) area?

- create users/groups

4. Have you ever used the HP program Top Tools? If yes, what do you use it for?

- have used it mainly for collecting information of the machines, it seems to do the job OK

Regards
Harri