topic Re: Run crontab job in Operating System - HP-UX

Run crontab job

hangyu — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:23:06 GMT

I hv a crontab job (script) that can be run normally , now I try to run it on the shell but can't be run , can advise what is difference between run a script on crontab and run it manually ? is it the difference of system enviornment ?thx

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:30:33 GMT

This is a very common problem. The environment of cron is intentionally very sparse and cron does not source the user's .profile (nor should it). The solution is rather simple: explicitly set and possibly export any needed environment variables (especially PATH) inside your cron'ed script.

Re: Run crontab job

Jov — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:44:17 GMT

Hi,

This kind of problem is usually the otherway around. As in within the Shell you can run the script fine, but fails in Cron.

Since its failing in the shell, execute 'set -x' (assuming you're run Bourne/Korn) then run the script. This should show you when the problem is or the last command that failed.

Jov

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:52:21 GMT

Oh, I may have misread your problem (although it's still not quite clear). Almost certainly if the script runs under cron but not from an interactive shell then the problem is permissions. Are you running as the same user as the cron'ed version? Is the execute bit set on this file for the user that you are running as? Your script could also be testing to see if stdin is a tty device but that would be unlikely. Add set -x and you should immediately see your problem.

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Wed, 16 May 2007 21:02:34 GMT

thx replies,

I hv two more questions

1. as A.Clay said , how can I "export any needed environment" ? how can I know all my environment ?

2. As A.Clay said , when login with the batch user , it will run the .profile and global profile ( I have set it for my application ) . Is it possible when I run it on shell , the enviornment change to the same as run it by crontab ? thx

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 21:11:15 GMT

The "env" command will list all your environment variables.

It's a little difficult to understand your problem.

Answer this very precisely. If you run your script from the shell (NOT FROM CRON), does the script execute properly? Yes or No?

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Wed, 16 May 2007 21:25:26 GMT

No , it is NOT properly run.

thx

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 21:59:29 GMT

Ok, in that case the environment set by your .profile or the fact that stdin, stdout, and/or stderr are terminal devices is somehow altering the behavior OR as this user you simply don't have sufficient permissions.

Add set -x near the top of your script and try to run it. You should see exactly what is wrong.

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Wed, 16 May 2007 22:14:25 GMT

thx reply ,

I tried to run "set -x" on shell , but no any output , what is the function of this command ?

ps. I use bash.

Re: Run crontab job

Dennis Handly — Wed, 16 May 2007 22:45:44 GMT

>I tried to run "set -x" on shell, but no any output, what is the function of this command?

In a real shell, set -x will list to seterr the commands as it executes them. See ksh(1) or sh(1).

>I use bash.

Change your shell to sh or ksh? At least until you get it working.

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 22:59:25 GMT

Let it be known that I am not a real big fan of bash.

Here's one reason:
echo "One Two Three" | read A B C
echo "A = ${A} B = ${B} C = ${C}"

That works on the POSIX shell and most Korn shell implementations; it fails on most bash implementations. We can argue about the proper handling of lvalues and subprocess but the above construct is very useful.

Now, is this an HP-UX question or a Linux question?

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Wed, 16 May 2007 23:04:04 GMT

thx reply ,

I have a bit confuse ,

do you mean I should change it to ksh to test it , add "set -x" to my script and try to run it on shell to see any error message ? thx

Re: Run crontab job

A. Clay Stephenson — Wed, 16 May 2007 23:13:15 GMT

First, is this an HP-UX issue or or some other OS? That helps to define the problem.

Secondly, I don't care what shell YOU use; that's your choice but you should at least know how to enable debugging mode for whatever shell you do use. All I am saying is that contrary to world opinion bash may not be the world's best shell. For example, on Linux, I use the zsh when possible. Moreover, it is very possible that the problem you are describing is a direct consequence of running under different shells when under cron and when in an interactive environment.

Re: Run crontab job

Dennis Handly — Wed, 16 May 2007 23:16:17 GMT

>do you mean I should change it to ksh to test it , add "set -x" to my script and try to run it on shell to see any error message?

Well, as Clay says, you shouldn't use bash at all. ;-)

First you need to look at your bash documentation and see if it supports a set -x like option will enable tracing of script executation.

From my 3.0 bash man page, set -x does do what a real shell says it should. So this means if you don't get any output, we have to address this.

(You can test this by adding "set -x" to a simple bash script and then see of the rest of the commands in the script get echoed.)

For a real shell, you can also add the -x on the first line:
#!/usr/bin/sh -x
Or:
#!/usr/bin/bash -x
(Whatever your bash path is.)

Try that for your bash script.
First try adding -x, then try changing the shell.

Re: Run crontab job

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 16 May 2007 23:47:25 GMT

hi,

one dirty way to do this is to create a crontab entry that runs the job as if you ran it manually.

this should look something like this:

#*******************************************************************************

12 18 * * * echo "/path/scripts/myscript.sh; exit"|su - yogeeraj 1>/home/yogeeraj/logfiles/output.crn 2>/home/yogeeraj/logfiles/error.crn

#*******************************************************************************
# END OF TABLE day0->Sunday day6->Saturday
#*******************************************************************************

hope this helps!

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Thu, 17 May 2007 03:35:08 GMT

thx reply ,

I am checking how to use "set -x" , I think the function of this command is to debug error. Except this method , is there other simply way to make the environment ( run by manually ) to the same as run by crontab ? thx

Re: Run crontab job

Dennis Handly — Thu, 17 May 2007 04:05:19 GMT

>is there other simply way to make the environment (run by manually) to the same as run by crontab?

Nobody would EVER want to do that except to debug a bad crontab entry. This was mentioned by Clay and Jov.

To do this, you would have to remove ENV vars and limit the PATH to what crontab(1) says.

And as Clay mentioned, if you have functions that work only on tty devices, you need to exclude those.

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Thu, 17 May 2007 22:22:39 GMT

thx reply ,

The below is user's env after login.

MANPATH=/usr/share/man:/usr/local/man
src=/ora_usr/src
HOSTNAME=ora

Now , if I want all schedule job ( crontab ) also has this env , what can I do ? thx

Re: Run crontab job

Jov — Thu, 17 May 2007 22:49:37 GMT

Add them to the start of the script. If its a command then you'll need to wrapper it within a script.

But why you need to do this? Removing things tend to break crontabs not fix them.

Jov

Re: Run crontab job

hangyu — Fri, 18 May 2007 00:11:19 GMT

thx reply ,

Add them to the start of the script. If its a command then you'll need to wrapper it within a script -- > can advise how can I wrapper it within a script ?

But why you need to do this? Removing things tend to break crontabs not fix them.

--> I guess it is the simplest way to fix it , I know it will "break crontabs" , do you think it is harmful to the system ? thx