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Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

rustam_2 — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:09:35 GMT

I have got a installed OS HP-UX 11i v3. I downloaded a book where are 21 chapters. Yesterday I read first chapter and have got some questions. I would like to make clear some details. Could you help me?
I read that hp-ux command line is more suitable and flexible than SAM, but for beginners SAM is more useful, is it right?
Should I use SAM (GUI or TUI) or must to start by using command line or for first start with SAM then slowly to turn command line?
How should I know, does X Window run on my server or doesn’t?
Now I can use TUI SAM, should I create X Windows and use GUI SAM or …

Thanks,
rustam

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Torsten. — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:12:32 GMT

Your book is too old, there is no SAM in 11.31.

The new tool is "smh" - more info on

http://docs.hp.com

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Michal Kapalka (mikap) — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:20:13 GMT

hi,

check this link :

http://docstore.mik.ua/manuals/hp-ux/en/438862-401/ch04s01.html

mikap

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

R.K. # — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:23:18 GMT

Hi..

You can use both simultaneously and compare the working.

But it will be better if you start with command line...it is 100% transparent.

sam/smh (in 11.31) do things in background.

Command line is always better for learning.

For 11.31 OS:
http://docs.hp.com/en/oshpux11iv3.html

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Suraj K Sankari — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:24:48 GMT

Hi,
>>I read that hp-ux command line is more suitable and flexible than SAM, but for beginners SAM is more useful, is it right?

Yes you are right SAM is more useful, but to save your time you can use Command line.
sometimes your terminal not support GUI by that time CLI is more useful.

in hp 11.31 SAM is not there instead of sam "SMH" is there.

Suraj

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

rustam_2 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:04:39 GMT

Thanks for all of you. I read about SMH, and now i got that there is a different between them.
Yeah, you are right. I didnt notice when i type SAM, now i've noticed this message after typing sam:
SAM is deprecated in this release.
SMH is the new tool introduced to manage HP-UX.
U are recommended to use /usr/bin/smh

Display variable is not set. Starting the TUI.Please wait..
HP-UX SMH TUI
there are a list of options for TUI.

then i pressed w for web-launch. System notice me that my display environment is not configured and i have to type IP and port.
should i type IP and port. Will something change after that? Which IP i have to give, i have 4 lan.

Yeah, i'm gonna use wbem and CLI simultaneously.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Torsten. — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:08:08 GMT

Maybe you already know SMH from another OS.

It is web browser based, so point your browser to your server:

http://server:2301

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

R.K. # — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:25:07 GMT

Hi Rustam,

As said you can use web browser to navigate smh.
Have a look on a 4-page attachment for ways to start SMH.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Michael Steele_2 — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:00:20 GMT

Hi

GUI v. TUI and "...System notice me that my display environment is not configured and i have to type IP and port..."

GUI in HP-UX relies upon XWindows / CDE. Now a days X is more common and X relies upon a DISPLAY variable which needs the IP address and port. It is always in this format

xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:0.0

It is always :0.0 for the port.

It is alway your desktop ip address.

As for using one or the other or the command line, from the operator's point of view is just that, your point of view. You'll learn both as time goes on. GUI is mouse point and click though, so you'll need this to start. TUI is keyboard navigated and relies upon the TAB key in particular. This takes some getting use to but you must learn it because a lot of low level stuff, or single user stuff where GUI can't run is performed in TUI.

As far as command line goes, GUI and to a lesser extent TUI need more patches and SAM in particular use a different command set different from the command line. This can be problematic.

The best use command line 90%.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

rustam_2 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:15:19 GMT

Thanks,
I tried check out http:\\ip_address_of_lan0:2301 , but havent seen completed loaded SMH. There is sentences: Please wait... You will be redirected to the SMH. I waited for a long time, but didnt see SMG. What i did worng? I'm using CLI, already checked IP-addresses and add roude, its funny to use CLI ))
I just curious of using SMH, therefore also wanna to know this way.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Rahul Rai_1 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:20:25 GMT

Hi Rustam,

No need to be worry about these things, just start where you feel easy when you become much handy then you can understand automatically which one is better for you, but as I am SA I will suggest you to keep concentrate with command line, although you are corect SAM is more useful but it will more time consuming,

Regards,
Rahul Rai.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Michael Steele_2 — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:15:04 GMT

For an X server program's Display to work you have to have an X client application installed on your PC. For Windows this is usually Reflection X or Hummingbird's Exceed from Cananda.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

F Verschuren — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:19:17 GMT

Always use the comand line if you want to know what you are doing, if you use (only) a gui you have learned to do a trick, but if the trick does not works you have no clue how to fix the problem... ps a gui can give verry good Idee's ore directions so once in a while it is a goot thing to go true all the options, you might just see someting you where not aware of it can be set/done...

Kind regards,
Freek Verschuren

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Tim Nelson — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:46:14 GMT

Some additional comments on Windows wannabe gui utils.

So what do you do when they do not work, like now ?

With no knowledge of command line you are simply out of luck and out of league.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Viveki — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:05:09 GMT

>>>>I read that hp-ux command line is more suitable and flexible than SAM, but for beginners SAM is more useful, is it right?

It may be right in the first thought. But if you look forward to become a master in HP-UX, please start with command line.

>>> Should I use SAM (GUI or TUI) or must to start by using command line or for first start with SAM then slowly to turn command line?

First start with CLI and then go ahead with SAM (if you still want to use it). Explore the CLI interface

>> How should I know, does X Window run on my server or doesnâ t? Now I can use TUI SAM, should I create X Windows and use GUI SAM

It's up to you. If you are going ahead with SAM, GUI SAM

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

rustam_2 — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:27:21 GMT

Michael Steele
I think both of them aarent freeware, right? i mean Reflection X or Hummingbird's Exceed.

to all
thanks i got, i will try to use CLI max.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Duncan Edmonstone — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:34:34 GMT

Neither Reflection/X or Hummingbird Exceed are free, but Cygwin/X _is_ free, if you want an X Server for your Windows PC:

http://x.cygwin.com/

HTH

Duncan

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

rustam_2 — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:02:56 GMT

Thanks, i got. Yesterday we had a bit trouble with Cisco, and only CLI helped.And now i know how is CLI powerful. So are there manuals or books where i can find useful commands syntaxes. I read 'HP-UX System Administrator's Guide:
Configuration Management
HP-UX 1 1i Version 3' but there arent a lot command and their syntaxes.

Regards,
Rustam.

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Dennis Handly — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:08:24 GMT

>are there manuals or books where I can find useful commands syntaxes.

If you know the commands, there are man pages for each. The man pages are also on the web:
http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-60130/index.html

Re: Chapter1 – command line vs SAM

Michael Steele_2 — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:31:06 GMT

Here is every O/S version's man pages

http://docs.hp.com/en/hpuxman_pages.html