topic Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23 in Operating System - HP-UX

Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

ricardor_1 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:00:18 GMT

Hello everyone,

I understand I still need to reserve swap for every allocated memory under 11.23. However, how does it work beyong the maximum supported swap space?

We have 38 GB of physical RAM and have setup the same amount of RAM (device+swapmem). We are afraid we won´t be able to use all the available physical RAM due to the reservation behavior.

Thank you.

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

Steven E. Protter — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 12:54:39 GMT

Shalom,

In general I disable formulas like this because they do not work in the real world.

swapinfo -tam

Please post.

In a system with this much RAM, if total available swap space is equal to memory you should be able to use all available physical ram.

I would not use this formula though as stated above.

SEP

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

ricardor_1 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 13:17:44 GMT

Hi,

Thank you, but the formula was not inserted anywhere, itÂ´s the definition of swap usage under HP-UX according to http://docs.hp.com/en/939/KCParms/KCparam.MaxSwapChunks.html

(Actually: maxswapchunks times swchunk times DEV_BSIZE)

The swapinfo follows:

Mb Mb Mb PCT START/ Mb
TYPE AVAIL USED FREE USED LIMIT RESERVE PRI NAME
dev 20480 0 20480 0% 0 - 1 /dev/vg00/lvol2
dev 20480 0 12288 0% 0 - 1 /dev/vg00/swap1
reserve - 25018 -25018
memory 38863 24846 14017 64%
total 79823 49864 21767 62% - 0 -

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

ricardor_1 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:18:17 GMT

Just to be more clear, I want to confirm if:

Being limited to the maximum supported swap space at 32 GB, without changing swapchunks (which is not recommended), will I be able to reserve and use up to 38 GB, which is my physical RAM?

Thanks.

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

Dennis Handly — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:50:44 GMT

>will I be able to reserve and use up to 38 GB, which is my physical RAM?

You don't need device swap to access your RAM. You have pseudo-swap enabled.
Your total swap is 80 Gb. You have reserved 25 Gb of device swap but not paging to it yet.

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

ricardor_1 — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:56:10 GMT

>>will I be able to reserve and use up to 38 GB, which is my physical RAM?

>You don't need device swap to access your RAM. >You have pseudo-swap enabled.
>Your total swap is 80 Gb. You have reserved 25 >Gb of device swap but not paging to it yet.

Thanks, so maxswapchunks and swapchunks only limits the amount of device swap space and the pseudo-swap adds to the amount of max reserved space. That answers my question.

Thank you again.

BTW: If you look at the FREE space on /dev/vg00/swap1, youÂ´ll notice that, even though theyÂ´ve created two 20 GB swap devs, only 20+12GB are available.

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

Dennis Handly — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:24:53 GMT

>If you look at the FREE space on /dev/vg00/swap1, you'll notice that, even though they've created two 20 GB swap devs, only 20+12GB are available.

That's probably your (maxswapchunks * swchunk) limitation.

The formula that SEP was probably referring to was one there you need N X RAM for swap.
This changes when RAM is very large.

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

Steven E. Protter — Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:12:53 GMT

Yes Dennis, that is the formula causing the limitation in available swap space. Though it probably will not limit use of physical ram, that depends on what the application tries to reserve.

Better off getting rid of the formula so if you need it all swap is available.

SEP

Re: Question about memory reservation beyond (maxswapchunks * swchunk * 1k) on 11.23

Dennis Handly — Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:40:18 GMT

>SEP: Better off getting rid of the formula so if you need it all swap is available.

That (maxswapchunks * swchunk) formula is hardcoded in the 11.11 kernel.
(I don't see maxswapchunks on 11.23 and it looks like it is hardcoded to 16384.)

That rule of thumb about device swap and RAM can be changed.