topic Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11 in Operating System - HP-UX

Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

inukoti — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:33:46 GMT

Dear all,

Can aries be used in Development of 11.00 and 11.11 PA-RISC apps on 11.23/11.31 IA machines .
I know we can do it in solaris zones , here PRM or secure PRM doesnot support 11.00 and 11.11 .
Our clients doesn't want to upgrade to 11.23/11.31 so we need to still support our Old product .
Any Ideas folks, thanks in Advance.

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Matti_Kurkela — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:53:55 GMT

Aries is a run-time emulator only: it does not include development tools.
You would need cross-development environment that is targetted to both a different CPU architecture and a legacy OS version. Such a thing does not seem to exist at the moment.

HP XPADE is something that might eventually become such a cross-development environment, but in its current state it *cannot* solve your problem:

http://www.hp.com/go/xpade

HP-UX 11.00 is unsupported: the situation would be equivalent of trying to develop for Solaris 7/x86 on Solaris 10/SPARC. Even Solaris Zones cannot do that, as far as I know.

MK

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Rajesh K Chaurasia — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:47:09 GMT

HP XPADE as suggested in previous post can be used for compilation and linking of PA-RISC sources on HP-UX 11.23/11.31. XPADE provides development environment for HP-UX 11.23/11.31 only. XPADE built objects (executables, libraries) need to be deployed on Integrity/ARIES only. Please refer to XPADE web page for more details.

Regards
-Rajesh

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Dennis Handly — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:53:47 GMT

>Any ideas folks,

You can roll your own SDK (you won't be supported):
http://docs.hp.com/en/14672/Help/commandsyntax.htm#SDKROOT

>MK: the situation would be equivalent of trying to develop for Solaris 7/x86 on Solaris 10/SPARC.

I'm not sure it is that equivalent after all.

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Matti_Kurkela — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:03:29 GMT

> MK: the situation would be equivalent of trying to develop for Solaris 7/x86 on Solaris 10/SPARC.

Dennis: I'm not sure it is that equivalent after all.

Well, HP-UX 11.00 is unsupported, just like Solaris 7 is.

x86 and SPARC are different CPU architectures, just like PA-RISC and Itanium.

And by a quick look to the Solaris Zones documentation, the zones will allow compatibility with Solaris 8 or 9, but not with 7; this is probably because Solaris 7 is unsupported. And the zones simply cannot emulate a different CPU architecture; they can only translate the programming API.

Just like I don't expect Sun/Oracle to put much resources into extending the Zones functionality to cover Solaris 7, I don't expect HP to provide cross-development tools on Itanium for HP-UX _11.00_. The key words in both cases are "obsolete" and "unsupported".

In HP's case, the entire PA-RISC architecture is on its way out, and the 11.11 End-Of-Sales date was at the end of 2009. Maybe the future releases of XPADE will become a full cross-architecture development environment that allows building real PA-RISC software on Itanium; but on the XPADE web pages it says the priority will be on 11.23/PARISC and 11.31/PARISC targets only.

If XPADE gains the ability to build for 11.11/PARISC target, well and good... but I expect it will take a while.

I acknowledge that Itanium may have been designed to include some hardware-level PA-RISC compatibility to make Aries possible/easier.
But it would be possible to create a x86 emulator for SPARC, too; it just might be less efficient, but not so different in kind.

MK

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Dennis Handly — Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:27:21 GMT

>MK: x86 and SPARC are different CPU architectures, just like PA-RISC and Itanium.

That's where Aries comes in, it removes that difference.

>I acknowledge that Itanium may have been designed to include some hardware-level PA-RISC compatibility

There isn't any that I know of, other than common instructions like ADD and SUBTRACT. :-)

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

inukoti — Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:26:44 GMT

Thanks all for your inputs, after seeing the XPADE only i opened the thread in order to get the experienced admins feedback. Lets hope XPADE is supported for 11.11 environment.

Re: Can aries be used in development of Apps on 11.00 and 11.11

Dennis Handly — Fri, 15 Jan 2010 11:33:34 GMT

>I opened the thread in order to get the experienced admins feedback.

You probably want feedback from developers, not admins.

>Lets hope XPADE is supported for 11.11 environment.

(Were you asking for "will be supported"? Otherwise, it isn't now.)