topic Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes in Operating System - HP-UX

Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Srinikalyan — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:04:53 GMT

Hi,
We are in the process of moving the Oracle datafiles from non-stripped logical volumes to stripped volumes. I need to know which will be the best way to do this. If we do just the copy cp and dd command, will that helps in performance and will that the data move as per the stripe unit? Or do we require any Oracle way of re-creating the data files in the new stripped volumes?
Thanks,
Srini

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Tim Nelson — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:27:20 GMT

Without more background info I will assume the following.

You are using LVM and the physical devices are either striped on a disk array or LVM striping is used. You are also using vxfs filesystems and not raw disk.

This that said, simply copy the data or restore from a backup means of your choice(certainly while the application is down).

Using LVM and vxfs you do not have any real control of the data layout.

If you are NOT using LVM and/or vxfs then please fill provide some more specifics.

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Srinikalyan — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:39:02 GMT

We are already using the XP array level striping RAID 5 and after further analysis we decided to use LVM striping as well for the Oracle datafiles. Is the cp command the best way to move the files from LVM non-striped to LVM striped logical volumes?
Thanks,
Srini

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Jannik — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:34:07 GMT

There are different simple way to do this:

Local copy:
tar cf - * | ( cd /target; tar xfp -)
( cd SOURCEDIR && tar cf - . ) | (cd DESTDIR && tar xvpf - )
find . -print -depth | cpio -pvdum /data/my_data

Remote:
( cd SOURCEDIR && tar cf - . ) | ssh target_address "(cd DESTDIR && tar xvpf - )"

For local copy i would use the find command it seems to be a little bit faster (in some cases).

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Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Hein van den Heuvel — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:03:51 GMT

What HP-UX version? What toools?

dd is the easy way to go, if you can tolerate the down time on that part of the db, no need to shut down oracle or hpux.
Eventually you'll need to tell Oracle where the new datafile lives directly (alter database...), or with smoke and mirrors... soft link from old location.

Speaking of mirroring, with the right tools and lvm command you can potential turn the original LV into a mirror, adding the new LVM striped disks. This will transparently make a copy. You can then reduce or split away the original and have no downtime (but a lot of homework and testing!).

Best i know, you used to be able only to mirror on exetend-based stripes (which may well be optimal), not on 'block striped. But there are patches ( PHCO_36746 ) which can make this happen also, for hpux 11.23.
Carefully read: http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1197798

Other topics describe these suggestion in various levels of detail. Google for +lvm +strip +mirror. Toss in 'pvg' or 'split' as needed.

Hope this helps some,
Hein.

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

John Brooks_1 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:48:35 GMT

another option is to use cpio.
cd olddir
find . -depth -print | cpio newdir

Just keep in mind to if you are planning to change your mount names then you will need to rename your datafiles in Oracle.

You can mount the new striped mount points to a temporary name, copy the data, unmount the old mount points and then remount the new mount using the old name.

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Srinikalyan — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:18:14 GMT

Thanks All. Will that the data moves to the disks as per the stripe unit by using all the mentioned methods?
Note:HP-UX version 11i v2
Thanks,
Srini

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Tim Nelson — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:26:19 GMT

>>We are already using the XP array level striping RAID 5 and after further analysis we decided to use LVM striping as well for the Oracle datafiles. Is the cp command the best way to move the files from LVM non-striped to LVM striped logical volumes?

If you are striping a stripe ( I call it plaiding ). Then the stripe size and data layout is controlled by how you created the lvol ( e.g. -i 8,16,64 etc.. )

The method of copy does not matter.

Please post your results, there has been great debate on "plaiding".
In some instances LVM striping an array stripe may disable or hinder the array's ability to optimize prefetch and cache.

In other cases people have experienced benefits.

The current word is "test it in your environment and use what works best for you"

I think it would be great to hear your results.

Re: Moving datafiles from non-stripped to stripped logical volumes

Srinikalyan — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:00:00 GMT

Thanks Tim and Others.
Surely I will give the updates after the change.

Thanks,
Srini