topic Re: New to HP-UX in Operating System - HP-UX

New to HP-UX

Abd El-Rahman — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:55:05 GMT

Dear Guys,
God bless all of you , I have question and i need some help ,i'm linux engineer 1 year ago but my work here asked me that i have to start focus on hp-ux administration as we have a lot of projects based on hp-ux and actually we started and i started to read in the documentation of hp but i see that it isn't easy like linux and solaris as i have also little experience in solaris , but i liked sam but i see that i don't have a lot of resources in the internet in hp-ux like linux and so i'm facing a lot of problems and i need free hot-line support like linuxquestion forum in linux ,
i see that this forum is very very useful and nice really but i need specific site in hp-ux only can any one here help and advice me where can i start putting my leg on the right way fastly ?

thanks very much

regards,
Abd El-Rahman Hegazy

Re: New to HP-UX

Torsten. — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:01:31 GMT

>> "...i see that it isn't easy like linux ..."

Well, it depends. I would say hp-ux is easier then linux for me ... ;-)

If you need manual and documentation resources, visit

http://docs.hp.com

Re: New to HP-UX

Dennis Handly — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:05:45 GMT

You might want to explain about your new job.
And what type of hardware, networking, disks you have. What mix of OS versions (and OE) and architecture will you support?

Re: New to HP-UX

Abd El-Rahman — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:19:39 GMT

well,
my company works on integration of telecommunication companies and m unit is dealing with hardware maintenance and installing OS and technical supporting but really started reading in these documentation you wrote its link but the problem from my point if view is that i'm not tuned till now with it but the problem is that i feel that any thing i need to know in hp-ux had to read a lot of things to get it and this is :( not being found in linux world as a lot of things could be done with one or more ways :).

Re: New to HP-UX

Jeeshan — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:14:31 GMT

check out this link, lots of suggestions about learning hp-ux is here.

http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1245853

Re: New to HP-UX

Abd El-Rahman — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:50:02 GMT

thanks very much ,
helpful reply :D

Re: New to HP-UX

Michael Steele_2 — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:43:00 GMT

Hi Abd:

I work in both Linux and HP-UX often. The basic command set is almost identical to both. So commands like 'grep' and 'more' and 'vi' are interchangable. However, Linux is much stronger in the basic command set than HP-UX. So you might expect some powerful arguements, like highlighting, that you wont find in HP-UX.

Where the two differ drastically is in LVM and installation. HP-UX is much easier to understand when it comes to volume groups and file systems and logical volumes. Linux will use 'fdisk' and partitions and slices. Here is where you should spend a good deal of time investigating.

You can refer to this URL for comparing Linux and HP-UX commands. Its the 'Rosetta-Stone' for ALL UNIX O/S's.

http://bhami.com/rosetta.html

Re: New to HP-UX

Sajjad Sahir — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:28:57 GMT

dear Rahman

see rafeeque rahman which one has best language to get good concept about the hp-ux basic and little bit advance once u got sound idea about hp-ux enviroment u can develop easily

Re: New to HP-UX

dirk dierickx — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:06:42 GMT

linux has lvm available for years now, default installs of RH also use lvm by default since a few releases already.

what's more, lvm syntax on linux matches that of hpux (vg|lvcreate|modify|status|etc).

Re: New to HP-UX

Stefan Mirevski — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:04:15 GMT

Hi Abd,

You could go along the following way:

1. General knowledge orientation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX
Comment: An overview of the HP-UX operating system, including:
- little bits of history
- an overview of the HP-UX versions
- their various and sometimes confusing naming conventions
- the important new features from release to release
- the various operating envoronments
- The latest news in this regard:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/10/hp_ux_11i_v3_update2/

2.HP-UX user guide (for unix beginners): http://www.docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/B2355-90164/B2355-90164.html
"Using HP-UX: HP 9000 Computers"
Comment: A really old document (Sept 1997), but I cannot find such a basic starter document that is newer.
I believe it would be very easy to read and could help you get a feeling about how much you already know from your previous experience that is common between the UNIX derivates.

3. User guide on shells (for intermediate users):
http://www.docs.hp.com/hpux/onlinedocs/B2355-90046/B2355-90046.html
Comment: Again an old docu (August 1992), but again a good starter, should be quick to read.
Includes important concepts:
- the different types of shells
- basic shell programming
- advances programming
- references

4. Having these basics, you could plunge into the technologies that interest you.
A collection of all documentation for the HP-UX 11i v3 Operating Environments:
http://docs.hp.com/en/hpux11iv3.html
A collection of all documentation for the HP-UX 11i v2 Operating Environments:
http://docs.hp.com/en/hpux11iv2.html
A collection of all documentation for the HP-UX 11i v1 Operating Environments:
http://docs.hp.com/en/hpux11i.html

I hope this might help you.

Best regards,
Stefan

Re: New to HP-UX

Stefan Mirevski — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:38:06 GMT

Hi again,

To your question regarding a dedicated HP-UX forum:

Our forum here is part of a larger forum, but this part is actually dedicated to HP-UX. Once again for reference:
https://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=117

One further forum I found is about general UNIX, but might also be helpful:
http://www.unix.com/forum_index.php
Includes:
- UNIX for Dummies Questions & Answers
If you're not sure where to post a UNIX or Linux question, post it here. All UNIX and Linux newbies welcome !!
- UNIX for Advanced & Expert Users
Advanced UNIX and Linux questions go here. Expert-to-Expert.
- Shell Programming and Scripting (260 Viewing)
Post questions about KSH, CSH, SH, BASH, PERL, PHP, SED, AWK and OTHER shell scripts here. Shell Script Page.
- High Level Programming
Post questions about C, C++, Java, SQL, and other programming languages here.

Best regards,
Stefan

Re: New to HP-UX

Stefan Mirevski — Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:58:21 GMT

Hi Abd,

Another important point occurred to me, that might be useful for you:
Under HP-UX you might miss quite a lot of small and not so small but very useful Linux programs.
The good news is, you could find quite some of them ported for HP-UX on the
"Software Porting And Archive Centre for HP-UX".
It contains quite some source and pre-compiled software for HP-UX.
Two of the existing mirrors:
http://hpux.cs.utah.edu/
http://hpux.connect.org.uk/
You should be aware that these programs are in general not "officially" supported, but could be very useful.

A further thought: there is a book called
"The Unix Hater's Handbook" by Simson Garfinkel, Daniel Weise, Steven Strassmann, Don Hopkins, 1994, entirely online here:
http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf
It is an amusing and witty piece. Rather complex concepts are explained in a common-sense language.
One can learn a lot about UNIX and gain proper software engineering attitude from this book.
Could be a good introduction.

And, to finish with a smile:
unix Sys Admin: noun. [Info Tech] a person who is interested in computer science and literature but understands neither.

Best regards,
Stefan