topic Re: dtlogin security in Operating System - HP-UX

dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:22:52 GMT

I got an email regarding a security alert for dtlogin.

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Risk Profile: Most Unix / Linux workstations come configured with CDE and dtlogin to handle login authentication. Systems that only support ASCII login from the console and do not support any XDMCP login to a server are not affected by this vulnerability.

Exploit: There are exploits in the wild that an attacker can use to cause a DOS; it is not certain if there are exploits that will allow an attacker to execute arbitrary code.

Feedback: Future Use
Products known affected: Dtlogin process associated with CDE.
OS known affected: UNIX / Linux
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My question is this, I have users who do terminal emulation with exporting the DISPLAY. Will this affect them if I turn off dtlogin???

OR

Is DTlogin ONLY for console login access? I never use it b/c we have text only consoles on all our boxes. Will this even matter?

Re: dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 10:23:46 GMT

My prescribed solution is as follows directed by my Platform Specialist...

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The current fix is as follows:
10.x systems: turn off dtlogin - unless users show a need for the process. No other fix is available for this OS.
11.x systems: turn off dtlogin - unless users show a need for the process - until the patches are released on thpatch. The patches are PHSS_30668 for 11.00 and PHSS_30669 for 11.11
After the patches have been installed, dtlogin can be turned back on. Patches are being tested now and are in the "stage" process - it is expected that they will be released in our next patch bundle.

Please check if your users are using any of the "dt" processes: dtterm, dtsession, dtgreet, etc. before you turn off dtlogin. If they're using them, determine if they can access the server another way

To stop the dtlogin process, type "/sbin/init.d/dtlogin.rc stop".
Then, to prevent dtlogin from starting after a reboot, edit /etc/rc.config.d/desktop. Change the value of the DESKTOP variable from CDE to "". Here's what it looks like:
DESKTOP=CDE
change to:
DESKTOP=""

Re: dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:29:04 GMT

shameless bump...

*taps microphone* is this thing on???

*crickets chirping*

*wind blows*

*time passes*

*paint dries* ... again.

*counted popcorn on my ceiling* ... twice.

Re: dtlogin security

Steven E. Protter — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:43:35 GMT

You can actually do this safely.

Use ssh for X login.

Hummingbird offers an add in tha uses Secure shell/oppenssh instead of the vulnerable r-protocols.

Totally disable the nasty r-stuff in inetd.conf

Case closed.

Never saw this one before, sorry.

SEP

Re: dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:50:15 GMT

Well we never use that type of console login anyway, and we dont use SSH.

So I am really asking can I perform this without disabling any non-root exporting of DISPLAY to their desktop? Until I can get the patch loaded in a few weeks from now.

Re: dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:50:54 GMT

btw, this is a new security problem that just came out this week...

Re: dtlogin security

Todd McDaniel_1 — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:51:52 GMT

Here is the CERT on it... sorry for so many posts..

http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/179804

Re: dtlogin security

Sridhar Bhaskarla — Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:53:13 GMT

Todd,

Turning off "dtlogin" will not affect your 'export-display' programs as they use the local X-server to run.

Only CDE-login is disabled.

-Sri

Re: dtlogin security

Robert Fritz — Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:50:59 GMT

Shamless plug:

Note that HP-UX Bastille can disable this and other network listening deamons for you.

On 11.23(and up), if you pick a security-level, this won't be on in the first place. This can help lower the stress level for admins that prefer a "default off" approach, or want to decide interactively which services they want/need.

The tool helps walk you through the choices by telling you what's affected when you turn something off.

http://www.software.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayProductInfo.do?productNumber=B6849AA