topic Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server in Operating System - HP-UX

Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:05:02 GMT

Hi all,

As confirmed from oracle, Oracle does not support any 32bit product (including
the application tier of Oracle Applications) on Itanium because of
potential performance and compatibility issues.

I would like to ask you that If Oracle Application 64bit can run on Itanium.

I am very confused. Pls help

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Steven E. Protter — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:11:17 GMT

Shalom Veron,

For complete information and support matrixes:

http://metalink.oracle.com Contract required
http://technet.oracle.com Registration required for download

It is my belief that certain versions of the Oracle Application servers ARE supported on Itanium.

I'm almost certain of that, since my former employer is reportedly taking a 10g databas/application server complex and planning a migration to Itanium from PA-RISC.

SEP

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:20:32 GMT

Hi Steven,

You can see attachment, It's from Oracle FAQ.

Do you have any back&white data?

Thanks for your prompt response.
Veron

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:19:38 GMT

hi,

Your attached document explains it all.

Oracle application 64bit can indeed run on Itanium!

what are you confused about?

see metalink note: Note:304489.1 Using Oracle Applications with an Itanium Database Server
August 2005

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:28:03 GMT

Hi Yoreeraj,

Could you attach this mentioned metalink: Using Oracle Applications with an Itanium Database Server. I couldnot see it.

I am confused if App 64bit can run on Itanium server.

Thanks.

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 00:46:40 GMT

hi,

document attached

good luck

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 01:52:33 GMT

Hi,

I think you got an misunderstand here.

As your file, App. tier just run on HP-UX PA-RISC platform only And Only Database run on Itanium platform.

My question is that I could install and run Oracle Application on Itanium?

As present in www.oracle.com, Just only oracle database can run on Itanium and but Application just run on other platform and link to database itanium platform.

Thanks

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:01:34 GMT

hi,

sorry for the misunderstanding. You are right!

according to metalink note Doc ID: 312470.1
Subject: Oracle's Platform Strategy Advisory,

the 'Oracle Applications Release 11i Application tier' is supported by Oracle ONLY on the following platforms:
Windows (32-bit)
Linux x86
IBM AIX 5L (64-bit)
HP-UX PA-RISC (64-bit)
HP Tru64 UNIX
Solaris Operating System (SPARC 64-bit)

this does not include the Itanium-based servers

I guess we have to wait some more time. You may wish to contact Oracle Support for an update on that since the document source is about 6 months old!

bad luck...

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:11:05 GMT

HI Yogeeraj,

Thanks Yogeeraj, Could you send me this document. I need black&white data to convince my boss.

Thank you very much.
Veron

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:18:37 GMT

hi again,

below an anology to what Rick Jones said:

even if it happened to "work" on an Integrity server, it would not be "supported"

Supported, known to work -> warm fuzzies all around
Supported, not known to not work -> an HPite may be in trouble
Supported, known to not work -> an HPite is in trouble
Unsupported, known to work -> lucky today, unlucky tomorrow?
Unsupported, not known to not work -> there but for the grace of Turing
Unsupported, known to not work -> no, it was not deliberate ;-)

(http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=981794)

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:22:42 GMT

document requested attached.

good luck!

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:36:34 GMT

hi again!

have a look at your profile..

you have assigned point to only 2 of your 70 posts to date!!!
see: http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/pageList.do?userId=CA1155755&listType=unassigned&forumId=1

because of this some forumers may be reluctant to post reply to your questions and share their experiences...

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:45:46 GMT

Hi,

One more question. What is difference between "Application server 10.1.2" and "Application server 10.1.2.0.2 Phase2 ans 10.1.3-Projected" and "Oracle App. Release 11i Application Tier"????

As your file first two Application server could run under Itanium

YOur response is very helpful. Will vote you 10.

Thanks

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Veron_Le — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:47:45 GMT

I think I am oversight. Thanks for your remind, I will assign mark now....

Thanks again.

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:09:27 GMT

hi,

"Application server 10.1.2"
"Application server 10.1.2.0.2 Phase2 ans 10.1.3-Projected"
==========================================
The above 2 are the same product but different releases. The product name is Oracle Application Server. You have the Infrastructure part and the Middle Tier part. The Infrastructure part basically needs a database. The Middle Tier runs the Application Server (e.g forms, reports, discoverer, etc)

"Oracle App. Release 11i Application Tier"
==========================================
This is a different product. It is a bundled solution. I am not too knowledgeable about the different solutions available. I know the re is Oracle App Finance, Oracle App HR, etc

The setup is standard and predefined. All the products in the suite is already configured and tuned. You only have to focus on the application.

this is briefly the main difference.

Maybe others can add to this.

if i get some time, i can search for more information on Metalink for you.

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Yogeeraj_1 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:31:51 GMT

Hi again!

You can get more information about Oracle Applications at the following url:
http://www.oracle.com/applications/home.html

Basically, Oracle applications deliver the information foundation and complete functionality you need to grow your information-driven business.

Product areas covered are:

o Corporate Performance Management
o Customer Relationship Management
o Financial Management
o Human Capital Management
o Procurement
o Project Management
o Supply Chain Management

hope this helps too!

kind regards
yogeeraj

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

TwoProc — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:11:00 GMT

AS I understand it - most folks going to Itanium have taken the application level tier off to be the same as the "middle tier". A nice thing happened in 11.5.8 (or so) that allowed the concurrent managers to be run not only from the application tier(simply put: concurrent managers,concurrent programs and reports) but also on the middle tier (apache, java and forms server tier).

What you got was the ability to include/exclude all tiers in a system as part of the application tier scenario. What this then allowed you to do was actually turn off the application tier from living on what was historically the same box as the database server box(es), leaving all of this to run on just what was historically the "middle tier."

This is the strategy you would pursue for Itanium: The Itanium box becomes your database, and (your choice of either) some or all of your middle tiers does applications(these could be HPUX PA-RISC or Linux for example) , or alternatively a single box (HPUX PA-RISC or Linux) becomes your applications tier. This applications tier box wouldn't need to be much, as the load imposed by this "tier" isn't much at all, the load that they generate on the database is however - but that's running on the Itanium box.

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Ted Buis — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:22:07 GMT

Better ask Oracle for the timing of the future release of Oracle Apps on Itanium. My expectation was next summer, but that could be way off.

Re: Oracle Application running on Itanium Server

Delrish — Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:18:32 GMT

According to Oracle certification matrix, you can install Oracle Application Server 10gR2 (10.1.2) on Itanium 2 Platforms. It supports all HP-UX (11.23), Linux and Windows operating systems.For HP-UX,your DB server can be one of 9.2 or 10g (10gR2 is projected and not certified yet).
Oracle does not certified earlier version of application server (like 10g (9.0.4),..) for Itanium 2 platforms.

Alireza