topic Re: Permission on Symbolic links in Operating System - HP-UX

Permission on Symbolic links

Arunvijai_4 — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:08:42 GMT

Hi All,

Can you anyone clarify why we get lrwxrwxrwx when a symbolic is created ? Is it depends on umask value ?

Thanks,
Arun

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

RAC_1 — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:19:18 GMT

Yes. You are right. umask decides that.
Also perms on links do not matter, as long as they have atleast read and file to which it points have right perms.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Steven E. Protter — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:30:31 GMT

Also, the user that creats symbolic links owns them. They have to be planned,have a proper umask set by the user (profile) prior to being created.

In your situation, any and all users will be able to access the area being linked to. They may (hopefully) not be able to do anything if unauthorized by permissions after that.

SEP

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Arunvijai_4 — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:31:25 GMT

RAC,

Thank you, can you please expand a bit on how umask decides the permission. I just wanted to know a solid reason for getting lrwxrwxrwx.

Thanks,
Arun

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

RAC_1 — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:54:28 GMT

With umask you can not get execute perms.
Say I set umask of 000, then resulting files will be as follows.
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 0 Sep 13 10:21 /tmp/test

What is does is as follows.

subtract umask from 666 - for files
subtract umask from 777 - for dirs

so with umask of 00, files will have 777 perms.

In your case, looks that some changed perms to 777. (perms on link can be changed with perms to 777.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

morganelan — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:21:59 GMT

umask only masks the default file and directory permissions

default file permission: -rw-rw-rw
default dir permission: -rwxrwxrwx

if you apply umkas of 022

access permissions of the new file created would be = 666 - 022 = 644 (rw-r--r--)

for dir = 777 - 022 = 755 (rwxr-xr-x)

If you need to set an executable bit from a shell created file, you must issue an explicit chmod after first creating the file.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Muthukumar_5 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:28:24 GMT

You can view umask value in display mode as,
# umask -S
u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rwx
# umask
00
#
# ln -s test.c link
# ls -l
total 16
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root sys 6 Sep 13 00:17 link -> test.c
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 3 Sep 13 00:16 test.c
# umask 002
# umask -S
u=rwx,g=rwx,o=rx
# rm link
# ln -s test.c link
# ls -l
total 16
lrwxrwxr-x 1 root sys 6 Sep 13 00:18 link -> test.c
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 3 Sep 13 00:16 test.c

When you change umask value, file permission is changed.

hth.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Arunvijai_4 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:30:13 GMT

Based on your answers, i understand umask is nothing to do while creating symbolic links.
{
umask=022
file=666
symlink to a file = 666-022 = 644
}

The above logic is wrong in symlink. Correct me if i am wrong.

--Arun

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Bharat Katkar — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:17:54 GMT

Hi Arun,
To make it more clear....

Files are created with default permission as "666" and directories as "777".

Now umask default value is "022" so files and directories gets created with "644" and "755" respectively.

This happens as "777-022=755" and "666-022=644".

umask is substratcted from the default permissions of the files/directories.

So umask can control the default values of permission for files/directories being created.

You can change umask to have any permissions.

Hope that helps.
Regards,

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Ivajlo Yanakiev — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:21:14 GMT

yes you are right.
links is special file :)
it take permission from original file.

if original files is
700
your link will take
700
but you will see 777 if you use ls -la.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Arunvijai_4 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:24:01 GMT

Why it is taking 777 ? That is my original question. Can anyone be more precise ?

-Arun

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Bharat Katkar — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:39:22 GMT

Symbolic link depends on the umask value irrespective of file permissions.
If it is getting created as 777 then your umask value while creating sym link is 000.

Hard link is irresptive of umask and depends on file permission.

Regards,

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

VEL_1 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:18:27 GMT

Hi,

Permissions on a symbolic link doesn't really mean anything. You can not change the permissions of the symbolic link ( It will be like lrwxrwxrwx). If you attempt to chmod a symlink, you'll actually change the permissions on the file being pointed to.

Thanks.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

VEL_1 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:24:11 GMT

If u worked on HP-UX means, Refer the following link:

http://www.unix.com/showpost.php?p=73792&postcount=5

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Robert-Jan Goossens — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:29:12 GMT

For what its worths, you change the permissions of a link.

# ls -la
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 10 Sep 13 10:26 gorj -> /home/gorj
# lchmod 777 gorj
# ll
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root sys 10 Sep 13 10:26 gorj -> /home/gorj

attached lchmod.

Regards,
Robert-Jan

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

morganelan — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:29:03 GMT

By default, chmod follows symbolic links and changes the mode on the file pointed to by the symbolic link. Symbolic links do not have modes so using chmod on a symbolic link always succeeds and has no effect.

The -H, -L and -P options are ignored unless the -R option is specified. In addition, these options override each other and the command's actions are determined by the last one specified.

Options

-H If the -R option is specified, symbolic links on the command line are followed. Symbolic links encountered in the tree traversal are not followed.
-L If the -R option is specified, both symbolic links on the command line and symbolic links encountered in the tree traversal are followed.
-P If the -R option is specified, no symbolic links are followed.
-R If file designates a directory, chmod changes the mode of each file in the entire subtree connected at that point.
-h Do not follow symbolic links.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Muthukumar_5 — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:22:37 GMT

Symbolic links are differentiated as,

1) hard link (forcible links)
2) soft link

When ever, a new file or directory is creating in forcible manner then it will get same file permission, ownership from source file / directory

# ls -l
total 16
-rw-rw-rw- 1 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 source
#
# ln -f source link
# ls -l
total 32
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 link
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 source

Symbolic links are following umask setting for directory generally (666). A symbolic file or directory will not contain any file contents. It is link to source. It is using with default directory umask setting.

You can get this from the following,

# umask 22
# mkdir hi
# ls -l
total 32
drwxr-xr-x 2 root sys 96 Sep 13 04:12 hi
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 link
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 source
# ln -s source link2
# ls -l
total 32
drwxr-xr-x 2 root sys 96 Sep 13 04:12 hi
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 link
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 6 Sep 13 04:13 link2 -> source
-rw-rw-rw- 2 root sys 3 Sep 13 04:09 source
#

hi directory and new symbolic file link2 is using same permission setting.

hth.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Ivajlo Yanakiev — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:19:42 GMT

there are two links
1. Hard links
it is one file with two names.
if you change permission on any name you will change permission on all name /this is in reality the same file/

you create this link

ln source link

2. Soft link
you create new file that point to source file.

you can not change permission on source using link. they are different files.

you create soft link using
ln -s source link

and your link will take permission from source but you will see 777 that is decision
by default.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Orhan Biyiklioglu — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:00:39 GMT

Taking 777 is a special way to specify the "don't care condition" on many unix systems.

Since the permission bits are a posix requirement for any file they must be specified in any case, therefore most systems adopt 777 for this purpose.

However, on HP-UX umask affects the permissions of the created symbolic link, but they still does not affect access rights to the original file.

Re: Permission on Symbolic links

Stephen Keane — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:20:27 GMT

If you set umask to all zeroes you'll get a link aith lrwxrwxrwx

e.g.

# touch file
# umask 000
# ln -s file link1
# umask 002
# ln -s file link2
# umask 022
# ln -s file link3
# umask 222
# ln -s file link4
# ll link*

should give

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root sys 4 Sep 13 16:22 link1 -> file
lrwxrwxr-x 1 root sys 4 Sep 13 16:22 link2 -> file
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 4 Sep 13 16:22 link3 -> file
lr-xr-xr-x 1 root sys 4 Sep 13 16:22 link4 -> file