topic Re: Wondering about Itanium in Operating System - HP-UX

Wondering about Itanium

Steven E. Protter — Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:36:17 GMT

If I'm certified and have a few years of HP-UX experience under my belt(like 8 years) am I qualified to do systems administration on an Itanium HP-UX 11.22 box?

Are there differences I need to learn about? Thanks.

Re: Wondering about Itanium

harry d brown jr — Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:45:39 GMT

You would be, if they were stable enough to have as production servers. I'm wondering if someone hasn't bought into the M$ method of rolling out products that are stable. Hey Carlie, you listening :-?

live free or die
harry

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Philip Chan_1 — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:54:50 GMT

Why not?

The OS should have hided 95%+ of the hardware differences for you.

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Rajeev Shukla — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:22:26 GMT

Hi Steven,
HP site has some good articles about HPUX on Itanium based server. I think most of it is similar as on PARISC except from server side. If you are concerned about H/W there is definately changes but OS part remains same. So we shouldn't worry much. Try having a look at this site.
http://www.hp.com/products1/unix/operating/choice/hpux_itanium.html

Cheers
Rajeev

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Ravi_8 — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:22:10 GMT

Hi,

OS is the same, only the difference is in H/W.

we have Itanium HP systems at one of our client site

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Ravi_8 — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:23:45 GMT

Hi,

OS is the same, only the difference is in H/W.

we have Itanium HP systems at one of our client site. So you no need to do any system administration on Itanium box. If you are well versed on HP-UX that is sufficient

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Steven E. Protter — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:18:37 GMT

Thanks. Since I have familiarity with PC type hardware, I'll assume I can pitch jobs on Itanium then.

I appreciate your input.

Re: Wondering about Itanium

John Bolene — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:13:52 GMT

The big benefit of Itanium is that it can run multiple OS's.

HPUX, MPE, Windows, Linux.

One processor for all occasions.

For HP, it is planned to be the only option in a year or so, maybe two.

They just deliver the hardware, you decide what OS to put on it.

The new Itanium 2's are pretty darn fast machines. I have seen a demo of one.

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Ray Carlson — Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:03:57 GMT

The Itanium 2s seem to be nice machines. We have 2 rx2600 boxes running HPux 11.22. There are definate differences and new things to learn, as I have discovered, but that is expected on the leading bleeding edge. Although a lot of software will run as is, various software requires getting the special Itanium version, and some of that doesn't exist yet. For example, there isn't a version of Ignite that will create a bootable tape backup. Also, the system disk is split between FAT and regular Unix. Firmware changes require using the FAT partition. HP does seem to be very helpful in getting fixes out as fast as possible. Several of their fixes have been incomplete, but HP has fixed them within a couple of days after I tell them the problems. We got the rx2600s so that we could learn about them early, but I wouldn't put a critical production system on one as of yet.
Ray

Re: Wondering about Itanium

Sundar_7 — Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:14:13 GMT

But I am wondering what if everybody start putting Linux and Windows in Itanium boxes.

What about we HP-UX System Admins ? :-))

Re: Wondering about Itanium

John Meissner — Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:05:09 GMT

My company (M&M Mars) is starting to build Linux servers using the Itanium processors. and IBM servers. To the best of my knowlege (please correct me if I'm wrong) Itanium is an intel based technology - i.e. - not risc based. I thought HPUX could only run on risc based processors?

Re: Wondering about Itanium

John Bolene — Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:24:45 GMT

HP and Intel made the chips as general purpose processors.

HP wanted to use them to replace all RISC chips as it is getting really hard to make them run faster.

The benefit was to make the chip run ALL OS versions, MPE and Windows included.