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    <title>topic Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004 in Operating System - HP-UX</title>
    <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857233#M867975</link>
    <description>There is a difference between drawing attention to fundamental flaws in a system and not appreciating something.   My personal view is that there are some circumstances where locked threads from the outset might have some merit.  I would equally consider that after a period of time it is better that threads should be locked automatically.  I tend to think 2 months since the last post is more than sufficient.  Indeed I would auto-lock all the forum issues posts because there is no value to someone posting today in say the January 2004 thread when you are running a thread for August 2004.  That does not prevent someone looking back as I have done on your forum issues threads from January 2003.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;As you have rightly noted recently elsewhere this is a peer to peer forum and thus the idea that something can be posted without a decent interval for people to comment or raise queries is alien.  One of the Human Rights planks of HP may possibly be infringed by this change if someone can post and lock and deny the right of reply in the thread in question during a reasonable period.   I presume you have had this fully checked out by the lawyers prior to implementation.   If not I would suggest that you do so.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;TERMINOLOGY&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;In addition a thread can be closed without any replies.  The FAQ states closure preventing additional replies when in fact no one needs to have posted for the author to have closed the thread.  Thus the terminology in the FAQ is open to question.  &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;You also refer to new message in the FAQ. Under the questionable change from message to thread the buttons read start new thread.  Something only becomes a thread when there has been more than one post in it.  If it remains that way then it cannot be a thread by definition.  The same applies if someone posts a message and then closes it - that cannot be a closed thread.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;--------------------------------------------&lt;BR /&gt;FAQ DEFINITION&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;"Thread: This is a discussion consisting of an original `new message' or topic followed by one or more replies to the new message or topic."&lt;BR /&gt;--------------------------------------------</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:39:11 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>charles k. norman</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-08-25T19:39:11Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857080#M867816</link>
      <description>Hi All, &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Once again, please provide feedback on any technical issues you may encounter while using the forums during August. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Please include URLs from your browser associated with error messages, and please include the date and time the errors occur.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;You can also post your forums **successes** for August at:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654077" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654077&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks for your feedback! &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Best regards, &lt;BR /&gt;Dan</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 18:09:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857080#M867816</guid>
      <dc:creator>Kimberly Ann</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-02T18:09:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857081#M867817</link>
      <description>Dan,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;One major issue is the fact that this thread is not advertised at all on the BSF.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The link for forum issues on the right side bar of the BSF, takes us to a Thread dated from April. I understand this is the most active area of both forums, but there are many people on both sides of the fence that don't visit the other forum, whether it be ITRC or BSF.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;As I pointed out in another thread, it would be nice if we had some sort of timeline for the old 'issues' threads as to when the different things will be implemented if at all.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Otherwise it seems as if there are new threads, but nothing is being done about any of the problems.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 20:13:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857081#M867817</guid>
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      <dc:date>2004-08-02T20:13:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857082#M867818</link>
      <description>Hi Dan,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;On the forums home page, the success page still points to the old one (June).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/home.do" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/home.do&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Cheers&lt;BR /&gt;Michael&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 04:20:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857082#M867818</guid>
      <dc:creator>Michael Tully</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T04:20:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857083#M867819</link>
      <description>Please delete my double-post in this thread:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654424" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654424&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:53:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857083#M867819</guid>
      <dc:creator>Stuart Browne</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T05:53:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857084#M867820</link>
      <description>Stuart,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;done</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:56:36 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857084#M867820</guid>
      <dc:creator>Gary Cantwell</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T05:56:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857085#M867821</link>
      <description>TJ - We'll get that thread updated on the BSF side. As far as updates, the feedback we receive is collected and rolled into next releases as we can. Pete Randell tracks what is still outstanding and usually posts it here each month. I'll post a list of updates/fixes that come out in the next release, which should be by end of the month.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Michael - thanks for pointing that out, the link is now updated!&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Gary - thanks for the cleanup.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Dan</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:05:01 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857085#M867821</guid>
      <dc:creator>Kimberly Ann</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T12:05:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857086#M867822</link>
      <description>Thanks for the reminder, Dan!&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;My monthly attempt to summarize the most grievous, most oft-repeated issues&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;1)  Recover the content lost during the 9/20/03 conversion/update - there are&lt;BR /&gt;numerous threads which suffered partial content loss, Merijn's statistics&lt;BR /&gt;postings being a prime example.  Other examples point out that the benefit of&lt;BR /&gt;the ITRC database as a resource has been severely compromised.  An excellent&lt;BR /&gt;dialog on wiping disks via various commands has now been rendered non-sensical&lt;BR /&gt;because much of it has been lost.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;2)  Clarify more distinctly the meaning of the new message button within a&lt;BR /&gt;thread so it will no longer be confused with the reply button.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;3)  Create a new category under HP-UX for congratulations, humor and other&lt;BR /&gt;miscellaneous off-topic threads so that those who don't wish to view these&lt;BR /&gt;items can bypass them.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;4)  Show the poster's name in the reply window.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;5)  Repeat the bread crumb navigation links at the bottom of the page so we&lt;BR /&gt;don't have to page all the way up to the top of long threads.  Also, add the&lt;BR /&gt;same links to the notification pages.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;6)  Could we possibly have a real, functional search engine?  Please??&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;7)  Other forms of URLs need to be recognized (https, ftp) as the http ones&lt;BR /&gt;are.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;8)  Allow for formatted text that does not lose spaces, so script snippets can&lt;BR /&gt;be understood.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;9)  Provide the ability for a user to customize the forum subjects they view by&lt;BR /&gt;setting up their own groupings (like: all of HP-UX, plus Servers (9000), plus&lt;BR /&gt;Workstations (hp-ux based), plus all of Storage - well, you get the idea).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;10)  From Merijn:  The ability to have a fixed signature in one's profile.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Pete</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 12:21:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857086#M867822</guid>
      <dc:creator>Pete Randall</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T12:21:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857087#M867823</link>
      <description>11) A new hat. Might give some sleepy Olympians something to shoot for.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;SEP</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 13:03:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857087#M867823</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steven E. Protter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T13:03:04Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857088#M867824</link>
      <description>Dan,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;These forums don't support HTML or anytype of code such as [b] or [i] &lt;B&gt; &lt;I&gt; like every other forum does. So what I did manage to copy and past in, after editing it, looks like garbage.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I would also respectively ask that this not be deleted as there are several items regarding forum issues:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;1. Lack of Response by users - Users should not have the option to not recieve e-mails when they author a message&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;2. Length of messages, If I get a 6 page message from HP, I should be able to post it at once, with my commentary without having to break it up.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;3. Ease of contact - These forums need to allow easier contact of other members, this has been brought up time and time again. Many places have private messaging or e-mail through a private secure site.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;4. Coding - This site is in the stone ages without its HTML or simply code supports. At least give the basic Bold and Italics, so I DONT HAVE TO YELL IN CAPS.&lt;/I&gt;&lt;/B&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:17:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2004-08-03T21:17:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857089#M867825</link>
      <description>On another note Dan,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I still cannot see my latest threads that I have created in my profile. I brought this up several weeks ago, and somebody did something to update them, however they haven't stuck.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We do appreciate your help, as you can probably understand we are rather annoyed at HP in general over in the BSF, for ignoring us and thousands just like us.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:33:04 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:date>2004-08-03T21:33:04Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857090#M867826</link>
      <description>Please delete: &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=655054" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=655054&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;is it an accidental branch from&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654889" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=654889&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Really... that "new message" button on the bottom of the topics should probably not exist. Keep the one on the top, or just the one at the group/family pages.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Hein.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:51:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857090#M867826</guid>
      <dc:creator>Hein van den Heuvel</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-03T21:51:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857091#M867827</link>
      <description>Pete, thanks for the updated list. We'll be addressing a few of these (and others not on the list) in a few weeks in the next release.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;SEP, good idea on the hat, will look into that one.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;TJ, if I'm reading your question correctly, all of your posted questions are found under "more" in the list of "my questions". If you click on "more", you'll find your posted threads at &lt;A href="http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/pageList.do?userId=CA1128041&amp;amp;listType=question&amp;amp;forumId=1" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/pageList.do?userId=CA1128041&amp;amp;listType=question&amp;amp;forumId=1&lt;/A&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;Let me know if you were referring to something else.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Hein, we will be deploying a new button named 'start new thread'&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Dan</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:56:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857091#M867827</guid>
      <dc:creator>Kimberly Ann</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-04T12:56:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857092#M867828</link>
      <description>Dan,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;That is what I am referring to, but shouldn't the most recent be appearing on my profile? I shouldn't have to dig and go to the more, to find other posts.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks for your help&lt;BR /&gt;TJ Adams</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:21:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857092#M867828</guid>
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      <dc:date>2004-08-04T14:21:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857093#M867829</link>
      <description>Hi TJ, sorry about that little omission. That particular list is a bit buggy, but we are relasing a fix along with a number of other items in about 3-4 weeks time. Please standby until then, sorry for the inconvenience.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Dan</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:41:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857093#M867829</guid>
      <dc:creator>Kimberly Ann</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-04T14:41:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857094#M867830</link>
      <description>Is there any known reason why the forums servers are responding poorly ? For the past few days, my access to forums were painful at best, sometimes not possible at all.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I was wondering if it is just me.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 14:51:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Mel Burslan</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-04T14:51:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857095#M867831</link>
      <description>Mel, &lt;BR /&gt;It is not just you.  I think you are feeling the pain from some routine server maintenance that is being performed.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;See if navigating to the main page and then onto the forums improves the performance:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.itrc.hp.com" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.itrc.hp.com&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;(Sometimes bookmarked pages will not redirect the links appropriately.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:02:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857095#M867831</guid>
      <dc:creator>Cheryl Griffin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-04T15:02:31Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857096#M867832</link>
      <description>Network response, overnight and this morning has been extremely poor. There were several moments of complete loss of access overnight.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It might be prudent if people do as I have done and request a moderator withdraw a post. I've hit the submit button and regretted more than a few times.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Regards,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;SEP</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:49:47 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Steven E. Protter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-05T08:49:47Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857097#M867833</link>
      <description>Dan:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It sure would be nice that when you click to open an attachment that it would open in a new window (target="_blank") instead of the current window.  Is there any way to code the attachments that way?</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:10:21 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>JohnWRuffo</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-05T10:10:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857098#M867834</link>
      <description>John,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I do get a new window, when I open an attachment.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Michael&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:56:37 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Michael Schulte zur Sur</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-05T10:56:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Please post your forums issues - August 2004</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857099#M867835</link>
      <description>Hmmm... yeah... must be another IE6 issue.  It does this when I open images.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:33:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-hp-ux/please-post-your-forums-issues-august-2004/m-p/4857099#M867835</guid>
      <dc:creator>JohnWRuffo</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-08-05T11:33:37Z</dc:date>
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