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who has read this book

KCS_1 — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:41:06 GMT

Hi,Everyone!

As you know, here are many IT Admins and Engr who wants to know internal Architecture of the HP-UX. However, not many stuff that books,whitepapers,documents and medias.

As someone has mentioned before here that related books which most recommended so I want to buy this book for knowing more about architecture of the HP-UX and UNIX.

Q >

What do you think about this if, you have read this ?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0132017997/qid=1062655747/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-5509417-8140915?v=glance&s=books

In addition,I am a newbie who have been working 3 years in this filed so eager to know and skill up more the parts of the basical Operation system (HP-UX).

As long as I know if someone doesn't have basis knowledges, It may block in front of their life like the FireWall just I think.

There is one more additional questions on my way.

Q>

what is the best way for IT admin and Engr ??

Any your opinion will so much be appriciated.

-Patrick-

Re: who has read this book

T G Manikandan — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:46:26 GMT

I have come across this book,

Design of the Unix Operating System
by Marice J. Bach

which is good.

Thanks

Re: who has read this book

KCS_1 — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:46:38 GMT

>>

Design of the Unix Operating System
by Marice J. Bach, Maurice Bach <<

It's the linked URL which I have written from the AMAZON.

Re: who has read this book

Stanimir — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 05:53:55 GMT

Hi, Patrick !
Your question is very good! So, I have
read this book 2 years ago /another issue/
and I'll recomend you it. The book has written
in very simple and understandable style.
This is a "basic" book for me. There are many
examples there on C and you could try
also do develop many programs, using unix
systems calls. For example, I have written
my first daemons, socket connections and
simply file-processing aplications.
This is very important book for me.
Regards,Stan

Re: who has read this book

Andreas D. Skjervold — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:19:37 GMT

Hi

I far as I can see from the Amazon reviews this book is based upon System V type unix, and wold therefor not give much deep insight in the HP-UX flavored unix.

I have enjoyed this book by Marty Poniatowski:
HP-UX 11.x sysadm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0130125148/qid=1062659867/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7650449-7599331?v=glance&s=books

rgds
Andreas

Re: who has read this book

Steve Steel — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:24:15 GMT

Hi

Indeed a good question.
Look at http://www.hp.com/hpbooks/

There are so many books out there

http://docs.rinet.ru:8080/UNIXs/

Is complete on the net and not a bad basic primer.

http://www.interex.org/ with reference to the publications is also helpful

Interex Enterprise Solutions (Archives) including hp-ux/usr and Interact
Interex Enterprise Solutions??? is a technical journal for users of HP-UX, MPE, NT/2000/XP, and Linux operating/networking systems. With articles written primarily by knowledgeable, experienced users, Enterprise Solutions incorporates three professional publications: hp-ux/usr, Interact, and Enterprise NT/Linux: hp-ux/usr, the only publication written specifically for HP-UX professionals, offers technical and strategic insights and step-by-step instructions to help you make the most of your HP-UX system. Interact examines issues important to the HP e3000 community. And Enterprise NT/Linux focuses on NT/2000/XP and Linux in commercial and technical business environments.

And of course

www.docs.hp.com

Steve Steel

Re: who has read this book

Zeev Schultz — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 07:48:23 GMT

I think Bach book is "the" manuscript.
Though its a bit outdated.Depends what
you're looking for.Each UNIX vendor has
its own "under the cover" feautures though.

Re: who has read this book

doug mielke — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:15:14 GMT

A small recomendation for
Unix Internals: A Pracical Approach
Steve D. PAte
Addison-Wesley
It's System 5, and worse, uses SCO for it's examples.

A HUGE recommendation for
The Magic Garden Explained
Goodheart and Cox; Prentice Hall

This book only addresses a dozen or so topice, but explains them fully. Once you read their section on, say process mangement, you'll never have another question about it. (It's also Sys V)

Re: who has read this book

James Murtagh — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:18:54 GMT

Hi Patrick,

I agree with your point and have mentioned this many times before - having at least a basic knowledge of the internals will aid system admins a lot, especially in system configuration, performance tuning and troubleshooting.

In terms of the book, it is regarded very highly but its technical detail falls just short for me and its slightly outdated now. I would go for the other book mentioned on the same page - "Unix Internals The New Fronteirs" by Uresh Vahalia. This is in depth and covers many newer topics, like streams, that weren't included in Bach's book. However, if you can afford both I would. Also, HP do offer an internals course.

In terms of the content of either book relating to the internals of hpux, you will find that the memory management section is where the biggest differentiation lies - this will be true of most unix releases I think. However, you have the memory management white papers etc on the documentation server (www.docs.hp.com) so if you get a good background in the internals these will make easier reading.

Cheers,

James.

Re: who has read this book

harry d brown jr — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 12:23:13 GMT

Adding on to Doug's comments about the SUPPOSED SCO code, you have to be careful and read it with one eye closed so they can only charge you $699.00 for "stealing" their useless intellectual property, otherwise with two eyes it'll cost you $1398.

live free or die
harry

Re: who has read this book

Umapathy S — Thu, 04 Sep 2003 15:50:57 GMT

Patrick,
I have read both the books mentioned here. Bach's book deals with good old unix internals and Uresh's book is the best for modern unices. Magic garden is still fun to read. I will greatly recommend that one but thats also outdated like Bach.
For system admins they will do help a lot. They will do even more if you are a system/kernel programmer. Linus said that he started writing the code with Bach's book.
By my question is Do we require that much internal knowledge to administer systems?

cheers
Umapathy

Re: who has read this book

KCS_1 — Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:54:26 GMT

Thanks so much! all

Here are recommeded books which was has summarized by me for this topic.

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1.HP-UX 11i Systems Administration Handbook and Toolkit, Second Edition - Marty Poniatowski, Martin Poniatowski

2.Design of the Unix Operating System - Marice J. Bach, Maurice Bach

3.UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers - Uresh Vahalia

4.The Magic Garden Explained: The Internals of Unix System V Release 4: An Open Systems Design - Berny Goodheart

-The end

all any helps will be sharing with someone!

Thanks for more advanced,again.

Re: who has read this book

Bruno Ganino — Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:53:11 GMT

Patrick, I have not read this book... I have sin!
Bruno

Re: who has read this book

W.C. Epperson — Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:23:47 GMT

There's a great set of "cookbook" chapters about hp-ux available to ITRC members who have support contracts. It's referred to as the "HP-UX Software Recovery Manual". Its Terms of Use prohibit me handing it out, or I'd zip it up and post it.

http://www1.itrc.hp.com/service/iv/node.do?node=prod%2FWW_Start%2FN1%7C16&admit=-682735245+1062593565606+28353475