topic Re: Usable Space in EVA in Disk Enclosures

Usable Space in EVA

Sharjeel Saleem — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:39:25 GMT

HI,

Can any1 tell me if we are adding eight 300GB hard disk in different disk group, how much space we getting in usable space?

-Sharjeel

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Patrick Terlisten — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:51:51 GMT

Hello Sharjeel,

are the 8 disks member of a disk group? If yes, you need to ungroup those disks, and create a new DG with that disks.

Let's assume a new disk group with 8 disks and a protection level of "simple". You will get a usable capacity of round about 2,1 TB.

Best regards,
Patrick

Re: Usable Space in EVA

raadek — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:46:51 GMT

Patrick,

Where did you take that number from?

HP StorageWorks Sizing Tool gives following figures:
100% VRAID5 -> 1440 GB usable
100% VRAID1 -> 900 GB usable
(8x 300GB, single protection,95% occupancy)

Rgds.

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Patrick Terlisten — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:52:26 GMT

Oh sorry, the 2,1 TB was only the usable capacity, which can be used to create vdisks.

8 disks x 300 GB - 300 GB (single protection) x 0,95 = 1,995 TB useable capacity.

Re: Usable Space in EVA

raadek — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:01:44 GMT

Still it doesn't stack up - the maximum size of a vDisk you can create is 1440GB for vRAID5, or 1800GB for vRAID0 (which you really shouldn't be using for a production data ;-)

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Uwe Zessin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:03:18 GMT

> 8 disks x 300 GB - 300 GB (single protection) x 0,95 = 1,995 TB useable capacity.

Assuming to configure a new disk group:
'Single protection' reserves 2x300GB (to be able to recover VRAID-1 data to new mirror pairs. Also, 300GB is the disk size in Hardware GigaBytes
(HWGB = 1,000,000,000) while the EVA displays Software GigaBytes
(SWGB = 1,073,741,824).

(8-2)*300/1.024/1.024/1.024 = 1676.380 SWGB

Subtract 5 to 10 SWGB to give the EVA some room for 'breathing' (5% is a waste in these days - check the latestest best practice guide).

VRAID-0: 1675 SWGB
VRAID-1: 837 SWGB
VRAID-5: 1340 SWGB

Sharjeel's question cannot be answered, because we don't know how the existing disk group is configured (size + number of disks, protection level).

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Patrick Terlisten — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:06:45 GMT

Moah... You're right, Uwe. It slipped my mind - single = double, double = quad.

Best regards,
Patrick

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Sharjeel Saleem — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:04:44 GMT

Hi All,

Thx for valuable comments...but i didnt get HWGB & SWGB concept :(
Secondly the single protection is occupied 2 disk from the disk group then we didnt subtract 2 disk from the given formula,

8 disks x 300 GB - 300 GB (single protection) x 0,95 = 1,995 TB useable capacity.

UWE, there is 1 disk group configured in our EVA with single protection level.

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:48:59 GMT

> Thx for valuable comments...but i didnt get HWGB & SWGB concept :(

OK, I'll go a bit more in detail:

I'm sure you know the difference between decimal and binary.
We humans usually work with decimal numbers 1, 10, 100
A computer works binary: 1, 2, 4, ... 512, 1024, ...

I have an EVA with "300GB" disk drives. With the Storage System Scripting Utility (SSSU) I can find out how many blocks a disk drive has:
formattedcapacity ..: 585937500

Each block contains 512 bytes:

585,937,500 * 512 = 300,000,000,000

I divide it by 1,000,000,000 (=1000*1000*1000) and get: 300 GigaBytes

That is what is printed on the disk drive, so it is "HardWare GigaBytes (HWGB)".

Command View EVA divides it by 1,073,741,824 (=1024*1024*1024) and gets: 279.39648

which is pretty much what CV-EVA shows: 279.39

So, it is the same amount of data - just show differently, like:
5(10) = 101(2)

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Sharjeel Saleem — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:30:58 GMT

Thx! we can installed 300GB 15K harddisk in EVA4000?

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:35:28 GMT

Yes, you can. The EVA4000 did support 300GB disk drives since day one
(I have just checked version 1 of the specifications from May 2005).

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Sharjeel Saleem — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:38:11 GMT

Sure? because document we can installed only 10K 300GB??? thx

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:53:35 GMT

Sorry, missed the 15k - I was just thinking about the ability to deal with 300GB disks.
Is your EVA still at that old XCS firmware level?

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Patrick Terlisten — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:59:42 GMT

Hello,

300 GB 15K rpm dual-port 2/4 Gb/s FC-AL 1-inch drive AG425A

The 300GB/15k drives aren't listed in the quickspecs of a EVA4000, but they should work, also the 450 GB FC drives.

You should be sure that you're running XCS 6.110.

Best regards,
Patrick

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:22:45 GMT

HP switched to an EVA-common specification file in February 2006. After that, but within 2006, support for 300GB 15kRPM disk drives became available.
I agree with Patrick that you should run with a current XCS release anyway.

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Alain Charland — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:07 GMT

Usable and formated size are (as showed in CV-EVA)
279G*8 for the disk group=~2232G
A sigle protection will take 2*279G=~558G
You then have:~1674G
Raid 0 will take n * 1 of space
Raid 1 will take n * 2 of space
Raid 5 will take n * 1.25 of space
Thanks

Re: Usable Space in EVA

Sharjeel Saleem — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:54:11 GMT

Really appreciate about feedbacks...currently we are running XCS 6.0.

Thx