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    <title>topic Questionable Best Practice MSA2012 disk layout (resilience-wise) in Disk Enclosures</title>
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    <description>Having read as much as I could find on best-practice for configuring an MSA2000 with additional shelves to support a reasonably busy Exchange 2003 cluster late last year we've had a rather busy week in DR mode due to multiple PSU failures (which I agree is probably fairly uncommon) but it raises a serious question in my eyes.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Basically, the disks were configured as described in the attached JPG, striping "vertically" across enclosures rather than horizontally. Database VDisks 1 &amp;amp; two each had two volumes created/presented to hosts, as did TL Vdisks 1 &amp;amp; 2. However, as the disks were there for performance (spindle-counts) rather than capacity, these Vdisks were under 50% utilised from a capacity perspective.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We had a rather unique situation whereby we had a double PSU failure (one each in enclosures .2 &amp;amp; .3) for which we logged a hardware call. By the time the replacement PSUs turned up, a third had died (the redundant one in enclosure .3) resulting in enclosure.3 taking its disks offline.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;On resumption of power, all of the disks in enclosure .3 (bottom in the diag) were in "LeftOver" state and all VDisks were "Critical" but still online.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;From an O/S perspective (2003) all volumes appeared to be online with the exception of one hosted on DB VDisk 2.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;To be fair, for these VDisks to still be online with so many physical disks offline is actually pretty impressive and can only be due to the low capacity utilisation I would imagine (i.e. plenty of spare capacity to stripe all the data).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;However, the fact that all the LEFTOVER disks had to have their metadata wiped before they could be added back into the VDisks seems to be a massive issue in my opinion! Effectively, following Best Practice disk layout has left us with a "split-brain" type VDisk which would have most likely failed completely had we utilised more of it.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;This makes me wonder if we're not better off (from a resilience perspective) striping *across* enclosures rather than *down* enclosures.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;What experience have others had?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I have an earlier post (with no replies) describing another MSA we have which is configured with a VDisk per enclosure which I was asking about reconfiguring to BP but now I have serious doubts and wondered what others thought. The problems we had kicked in the day after I posted that message!&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We've since had a 4th PSU fail in the same MSA so I've instigated a question about reliability/bad batches etc. to HP as there's no evidence of any underlying power issues in our data centre.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Any opinions appreciated...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Paul</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:10:25 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Having read as much as I could find on best-practice for configuring an MSA2000 with additional shelves to support a reasonably busy Exchange 2003 cluster late last year we've had a rather busy week in DR mode due to multiple PSU failures (which I agree is probably fairly uncommon) but it raises a serious question in my eyes.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Basically, the disks were configured as described in the attached JPG, striping "vertically" across enclosures rather than horizontally. Database VDisks 1 &amp;amp; two each had two volumes created/presented to hosts, as did TL Vdisks 1 &amp;amp; 2. However, as the disks were there for performance (spindle-counts) rather than capacity, these Vdisks were under 50% utilised from a capacity perspective.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We had a rather unique situation whereby we had a double PSU failure (one each in enclosures .2 &amp;amp; .3) for which we logged a hardware call. By the time the replacement PSUs turned up, a third had died (the redundant one in enclosure .3) resulting in enclosure.3 taking its disks offline.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;On resumption of power, all of the disks in enclosure .3 (bottom in the diag) were in "LeftOver" state and all VDisks were "Critical" but still online.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;From an O/S perspective (2003) all volumes appeared to be online with the exception of one hosted on DB VDisk 2.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;To be fair, for these VDisks to still be online with so many physical disks offline is actually pretty impressive and can only be due to the low capacity utilisation I would imagine (i.e. plenty of spare capacity to stripe all the data).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;However, the fact that all the LEFTOVER disks had to have their metadata wiped before they could be added back into the VDisks seems to be a massive issue in my opinion! Effectively, following Best Practice disk layout has left us with a "split-brain" type VDisk which would have most likely failed completely had we utilised more of it.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;This makes me wonder if we're not better off (from a resilience perspective) striping *across* enclosures rather than *down* enclosures.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;What experience have others had?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I have an earlier post (with no replies) describing another MSA we have which is configured with a VDisk per enclosure which I was asking about reconfiguring to BP but now I have serious doubts and wondered what others thought. The problems we had kicked in the day after I posted that message!&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We've since had a 4th PSU fail in the same MSA so I've instigated a question about reliability/bad batches etc. to HP as there's no evidence of any underlying power issues in our data centre.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Any opinions appreciated...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Paul</description>
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