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EFI partition on OpenVMS

The Brit — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:19:37 GMT

Am I correct in my belief that the EFI partition on an OpenVMS Blade (BL860c) is on the System Disk?
And the second Question, Does this mean that I have to have an OS loaded before I can access the EFI partition. (e.g. to do F/W upgrades)

Dave.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Ian Miller. — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:35:44 GMT

You can do firmware upgrades by booting from a DVD (perhaps using vMedia).

There is a part of a VMS system disk which appears as a FAT partition when using the EFI console.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Steven Schweda — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:56:44 GMT

Software is on the disk(s). Firmware is in
the chip(s). A firmware upgrade does not use
or require a disk (other than the one,
typically a CD or DVD, with the upgrader
stuff on it).

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

The Brit — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:08:44 GMT

Thanks for the help so far guys, but I am still looking for clarification. I have update files, one is .nsh, and one is .efi.

The installation instructions indicate that these files should be FTP'd to the server needing the update, and then use the appropriate utility/command (EFI$CP) to move the files to the "efi partition", specifically, to "/efi/hp/firmware/update_SFW.nsh" (same for the *.efi file).

My question is; When this copy is complete, where are the files physically located, on disk, or in memory, or ???

thanks

Dave.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Volker Halle — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:32:19 GMT

Dave,

if you have no OpenVMS I64 system disk on your system, then there is no EFI partition on the disk. The EFI partition on an OpenVMS I64 system disk is SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYS$EFI.SYS.

From the ECI$CP help text:

"EFI$CP is not supported for customer use.â

â This EFI$CP utility should only be used under the explicit direction of HP Customer Services.â

Consider to use other means to updating whatever firmware you are about to update.

Once you've updated the firmware, it sits in some NVRAM or similar inside the hardware.

Volker.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

The Brit — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:44:06 GMT

Thanks Ian/Steven/Volke

I will stay away from EFI$CP!!

The USB CD/DVD option is possible although I have heard that it is very "picky" about the specific make and model of the CD/DVD drive. Any comment?

vMedia might work, although I need to track down some documentation.

My other alternative would be to move the files from a USB thumb drive, to the EFI partion, at the SHELL!

thanks

Dave.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Hoff — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:26:10 GMT

I know the details of the innards of EFI$CP and the innards of the OpenVMS I64 disk overlay, um, hack.

One of the usual paths for an Integrity firmware upgrade (there are several) is to burn an ISO (raw disk image) of the new firmware, and boot it.

Another option is to network boot the firmware from the EFI console.

Or use a FAT partition on a scratch disk. EFI$CP can be used to that end; to create an empty FAT partition on a disk and load firmware from that without serious effort. You don't need OpenVMS or anything else on the disk.

If you want to have the firmware loaded on a non-scratch magnetic disk (eg: an OpenVMS I64 system disk), yes, you can use the FAT partition and can (when reduced to just one disk in any shadowset) can upgrade from there.

It's also trivial to add a FAT partition onto an existing and populated disk, too, and without disturbing the existing disk contents. EFI$CP works fine here, too.

My preference here -- in terms of its sheer brainlessness -- is to use COPY /RECORDABLE_MEDIA or CDburnerXP Pro (I prefer to avoid Nero) or the Mac Disk Utility to burn a firmware CD. And to then boot it.

If you'd like to chat about any of these offline, let me know.

Stephen Hoffman
HoffmanLabs LLC

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Hoff — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:31:31 GMT

///My other alternative would be to move the files from a USB thumb drive, to the EFI partion, at the SHELL!///

You can often/usually reference the contents a FAT-format USB drive from the EFI Shell>, but you're probably not moving files from there to the Shell.

(The shell needs to have some storage around, whether it's on a disk or on a DVD or embedded elsewhere. There's been some work to do a memory disk image boot path; something that is roughly analogous to the old two-step VMBUVAX1.EXE VMB.EXE two-step boot path that was around twenty-some years ago.)

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

The Brit — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:15:04 GMT

In this case, the firmware update file is in the form of an "*.tar.gz" file. The instructions (for all the documented OS's) is to unpack this file and ftp the contents, i.e. the *.nsh and *.efi files "to the server requiring the update."

The installation instructions then go on to describe the commands used on each OS to move these files to the EFI partition.

Of course, OpenVMS is not one of the "documented" OS's, and the instructions then jump to the "OS-independent" section, where the assumption is that you have already successfully placed the files in the EFI partition.

The blades I am trying to update are BL860c blades which have not even been powered up yet. I don't know if they came with FIS on the (one) internal disk, however I dont want to mess it up if it did. I am not really ready to boot the OpenVMS OS yet, so I was trying to see how far I could get before that is absolutely necessary.

Semi-related question: If I power on the blade, and it has FIS on the disk, is it going to go ahead and boot, or can I abort before it messes up the Factory Installed Software???

thanks

Dave.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Matt Muggeridge — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:05:50 GMT

>And the second Question, Does this mean
>that I have to have an OS loaded before I
>can access the EFI partition. (e.g. to do
>F/W upgrades)

With regards F/W upgrades, I find DVD and other media are not useful when the machine is located remotely. In fact, I find it a pain to use DVD most times ;).

I prefer to use FTP. Here's how I do it on my remote rx2620.

First extract the "update_sfw.efi" from the HP support *.tar.gz file. Save it on a machine anywhere in your network, (not on the same machine you are flashing though).

Back on my rx2620, I enter the EFI Shell...

Shell> fs0:
fs0:\> cd EFI\VMS\TOOLS
fs0:\EFI\VMS\TOOLS> startup_net
fs0:\EFI\VMS\TOOLS> ifconfig -a
... this lists the interface names ...
... I select sni0 ...

fs0:\EFI\VMS\TOOLS> ifconfig sni0 1.1.1.1
... replace 1.1.1.1 with an available IP address on your network ...

fs0:\EFI\VMS\TOOLS> ifconfig sni0
... verifies address is configured ...
... look for UP and RUNNING flags ...

fs0:\EFI\VMS\TOOLS> cd ..\UPDATE
... you may have to create the UPDATE directory ...

fs0:\EFI\VMS\UPDATE> ..\TOOLS\ftp 1.1.1.2
... assumes update_sfw.efi is on 1.1.1.2 ...
... after logging on, you'll be at ftp> prompt ...

ftp> bin
ftp> get update_sfw.efi
ftp> exit

fs0:\EFI\VMS\UPDATE> dir
... you will see update_sfw.efi ...

fs0:\EFI\VMS\UPDATE> update_sfw
... firmware update starts ...

Matt.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Ian Miller. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:43:59 GMT

Note the vMedia support means you can use the DVD in your laptop.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

The Brit — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:23:17 GMT

Thanks

DAve

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Tom O'Toole — Thu, 12 May 2011 18:43:40 GMT

Can the method that Matt has mentioned be used to ftp device firmware to "the EFI filesystem"?

There is an emulex "utility" that does firmware updates (that has zero documentation), which asks for a directory path for the firmware file. I have downloaded a zip file with the fw, but I have no clue (zero doc) what format the file should be in, what filesystem the utility can access, and how to get anything there, maybe it's the efi filesystem...

These systems firmware is a nightmare to maintain, and there is just no documentation.

Re: EFI partition on OpenVMS

Ian Miller. — Fri, 13 May 2011 11:45:55 GMT

Tom,
it would be better if you started your own thread. The firmware is best updated as a set using the CD/dVD but it possible to use the ftp client software from the EFI shell to obtain firmware files.