topic Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp? in Operating System - OpenVMS

OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Martin P.J. Zinser — Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:05:21 GMT

Hello,

how is the feeling on this? Last year we did have a BoF on the patch section of ITRC and that was pretty good I think. While the guys from hp had to listen to some not very happy customers ther were also lots of constructive suggestions and I like to think that at least some of the improvements implemented this spring were influenced by the feedback they got there ;-)

So, should we try to have another BoF this year and if yes what should be the topic? Just a feelgood forums meet (easy to organize, just occupy a table in the granite bar ;-) or should we try to address issues like Aaron has voiced them here recently (would obviously require some cooperation from hp)?

Any suggestions?

Martin

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Willem Grooters — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:54:59 GMT

Martin,
What's BoF stand for (I'm not US, you know)
But given your explanation, it would indeed be a good idea.
I would say: keep it as informal as possible. A number of topics to talk about - as a guideline - would be helpfull. I agree with Aaron's mischief as a topic, no doubt there are more that have the same feeling. But yes: you need at least some HP cooperation - not only from OpenVMS engineering.

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Antoniov. — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:56:53 GMT

Martin,
as Willem I don't know what means BoF; obviously I can undestand your question.
Is it possible (I already posted this one in past) build an event in Europe?
For example, my city Turin will host winter olympic games on 2006 and here there are a lof recective structure. With HP I offer me to collaborate on this event (I can find better english speaker than me, too)!

@Antoniov

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

H_Bachner — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 02:40:20 GMT

BoF = Birds of a feather
(informal) gathering of folks sharing a specific interest

Hope this helps,
Hans.

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Willem Grooters — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 05:48:55 GMT

Antonio,
This is something I would agree too as well, as do a lot of my direct collegues! We could bring this to the attention of HP in this kind of gathering ;-)
So the next question to Martin:
do you expect us to specify subjects for such a talk in this thread, or do you plan to host it elsewhere - which would be preferable, I think.

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Ian Miller. — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:11:09 GMT

Good idea. I think the issues raised by Aaron and what people think of itrc would be good topics. I hope to be there but its in the hands of the beancounters at present :-(

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Martin P.J. Zinser — Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:22:16 GMT

Hi all,

sorry about the BoF confusion, you will get used to it once you life a while in the US ;-)

While I would not mind to discuss possible topics here you are free to send me mail privatly at zinser@zinser.no-ip.info . I would distribute suggestions to all people contacting me via email and would post a final summary here. I suggest we should try to reach some conclusion by middle of next week, since the request still would need to be discussed with hp.

As for a "bootcamp" in Europe, Sue has made it pretty clear that this particular type of meeting is only possible in Nashuha in very close proximity to ZKO (and I tend to agree with her on this). On the other hand VMS engeneering and the ambassadors are distributed in a worldwide network, so you might be able to lobby for shorter events with your local representatives.

Greetings, Martin

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Jan van den Ende — Wed, 07 Apr 2004 04:09:42 GMT

Hello,

I do remember the "Patch" BoF of last Bootcamp, and it certainly did do some good.
Regrettably I won't be there this time (I'll be in Muenchen/Munich early May, and there's no budget for 2 such events in one month), but I certainly advise those who are at the bootcamp to set up something like last year!
To the Europeans: I have it from Sue that there will be Technical Update Days in the Netherlands in october. Not as much as a bootcamp, but a nice second-best!.

Jan

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Ian Miller. — Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:28:30 GMT

It looks like I am going to be there :-)
I think a meeting between any folks seen in this forum who are attending the bootcamp would be A Good Thing. Even better if somebody from hp will be there to listen.

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

John Eerenberg — Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:03:17 GMT

Hi,

I look forward to it (I'm actually going to bootcamp and still, almost, can't believe it).

Could we have a non-ITRC Bof for VMS? Such as Sales and Sales support? Someone, from HP would have to be present to make that work? Just a thought . . .

john

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Mohamed K Ahmed — Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:54:16 GMT

May be the thing that is not as it used to be, the ITRC FTP site.
When it was ftp.support.compaq.com, it was very well organized, and you can see all the patches in one level (folder), now the ftp site ftp.itrc.hp.com has so many folders and the patches are not grouped on the same level.
I know that the main site for ftp'ing the patches is from the www.ITRC.hp.com, but I don't like ftp'ing to a local PC then ftp'ing again to the systems, I just like to access directly from the system itself.

Will this something be considered?

Mohamed

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Bruno Ganino — Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:54:59 GMT

Martin,
I believe NOT understood !
The suggestions must to be topics of ITRC-Forum ?
Topics of openVMS ?
Bruno

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Antoniov. — Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:59 GMT

Hi Bruno,
Martin posted in VMS but HP moderator moved here (I think because may be interesting for other member too)!

@Antoniov

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Martin P.J. Zinser — Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:50:36 GMT

Hello Bruno,

I do apologize for the moderator who moved this thread here. As Antonio stated, it started out in the OpenVMS forum where it really belongs (Hello hp, please move it back!!!).

The "bootcamp" is a highly technical conference in close proximity to and with very much contents provided by OpenVMS engeneering. You go there if you are highly interested in VMS and already have mastered all the basic and normal advanced stuff ;-) (Besides of some strange guys like me, who go there since the company of the other participants is that nice ;->

So I opened this thread in the OpenVMS forum to discuss if we should have a BoF there and possible things to discuss.

Greetings, Martin

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Bruno Ganino — Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:18:32 GMT

Thank you Martin and Antoniov for the explanation.
Now i have understood.
The BoF is very interesting, but i am "out" by openVMS and road from Italy to USA is very long.
Ciao
Bruno

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Jan van den Ende — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:53:50 GMT

Bruno:
Muenchen (= Munich) is not THAT far from Italy. Some interesting things at ENSA/Interex as well! :-)

Jan

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Antoniov. — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 07:13:29 GMT

Hi Jan,
are you inviting at your "Celebrating" event? Is it the same of the other thread?
I thought it's a private meeting.

@Antoniov

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Cheryl Griffin — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:11:56 GMT

>>(Hello hp, please move it back!!!). ....
So I opened this thread in the OpenVMS forum to discuss if we should have a BoF there and possible things to discuss.>>

Moving thread to OpenVMS as per Martin's request.

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Willem Grooters — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:38:09 GMT

Antonio,

Call it a "celebration" event - but I think it's more a case-study presentation. Hopefully it's attended by decision-makers as well.
Jan's boss would need to tell about it...

(Jan, je korpschef zou een verhandeling moeten houden over het nut van zo'n cluster... Maar dat zal-ie wel niet doen)...

Re: OpenVMS: ITRC BoF at the bootcamp?

Bruno Ganino — Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:48:40 GMT

Munich is OK !
But i don't understand 2 things.
1) What is ENSA ?
2) What is "(Jan, je korpschef zou een verhandeling moeten houden over het nut van zo'n cluster... Maar dat zal-ie wel niet doen)... " ?

;-)
Bruno