topic Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee in Operating System - OpenVMS

User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Nicolas Dumeige — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:04:47 GMT

Hello,

HP Provide a 502 pages "OpenVMS User's Manual". It looks good but not very handy to read it in the subway. Does anyone know another source of information for beginers, maybe something shorter ? It will be even nicer if it was intended for a Unix user audience.

Thanks

Nicolas

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Antoniov. — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 03:26:38 GMT

Hi Nicolas,
this may help you
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555582796/ref%3Dase%5Ftru64org/104-7091688-9811952

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Nicolas Dumeige — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:57:20 GMT

OK. free document are most welcome.

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

labadie_1 — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:48:21 GMT

There is a VMS to Unix
Migration document at

http://www.unh.edu/cis/docs/vms-to-unix/Articles/

regards

Gerard

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Keith Cayemberg — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:04:37 GMT

Hello Nicolas,

I have attached a HTML file with links to several online OpenVMS tutorials.

They are generally free, as in "Frei Bier!"

Cheers!

Keith Cayemberg

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

labadie_1 — Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:42:11 GMT

If you want to search something in the Vms doc, this link is good

http://pi-net.dyndns.org/cgiplus-bin/search

you select only Vms documentation or others (Rdb, Java...), according to what you want.

Of course, the Vms docs are available at
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/

but the search offered doesn't work.

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Andy Bustamante — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:00:11 GMT

See http://www.bh.com/digitalpress and run a keyword search for "OpenVMS"

There are several excellent references here, including "Unix for OpenVMS Users"

"The OpenVMS User's Guide " and "Writing Real Programs in DCL" make excellent starting points.

Take time to learn the Help system. One of the reasons there's a shortage of third party documentation (not knocking anyone here) is that the system documention is so detailed.

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Keith Cayemberg — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:53:25 GMT

How about the following document as an OpenVMS for Unix experts manual:

OpenVMS and Digital UNIX
Interoperability and Migration Guide
http://www.hmi.de/it/software/unix/vmsunix.pdf

For some reason I'm not able to display this large PDF in Mozila as an inline PDF with Adobe's plugin. I had to Save the Link Target to disk, and then double click on the file to display it in Adobe Reader directly.

Unfortunately, even when zipped the PDF was too big to be included here as an attachment.

Cheers!

Keith Cayemberg

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Dave Gudewicz — Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:02:45 GMT

The Amazon link mentioned above took you to the Getting Started with OpenVMS Guide for New Users, a good catch imo.

Noticed the jaded review which prompted this note. Perhaps those who own this book should contribute their review to provide some balance.

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Nicolas Dumeige — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:45:34 GMT

Dave,

I read the "A Dead End" by reviewer Wes Boudville.

a- A friend has given me an Alpha station.
b- I'm always curious to explore alternative way of doing things and I'm still amazed to see how much intelligence has been deployed to build these machines.
For these two reasons, I want to install OpenVMS ; I don't plan to use VMS professionnally but who knows ...

I don't really know how is the OpenVMS market, I belive it has been better few year ago but I've read with interest and suprise that it will be ported to Superdome with Itanium2. For me VMS is a fling, I'll give it a shot.

Cheers

Nicolas

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Antoniov. — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 05:35:30 GMT

Nicolas,
if you will use vms as hobbyst you can:
1) Download hobbyst license form here http://www.openvmshobbyist.org/
2) Install vms (it's very simple for your needing)
3) Use it and read help.

Vms is some different from unix: have a unique shell called CLI and unique script language called DCL; scripting language is very powerful (more then cshell).
In vms there doesn't exist path to run program; you can simply create new command.
Vms has device and qualifier of command use slash (as windows).
File system is case insensitive.

Now you could discover other characteristics using vms and when you'll post here, you'll find always someone can help you.

Welcome to vms world :-)
Antonio Vigliotti

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Willem Grooters — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:07:53 GMT

Noticed the jaded review which prompted this note. Perhaps those who own this book should contribute their review to provide some balance.

I read this, and some of his reviews (said to be one of the top-500? Given the number of reviews, just barely...) and I'm not impressed. He may know a lot but not in IT, for what I've seen.

He doesn't, and given his remark, he never did. So he doesn't knwo what he's taking about.

HE's the dead end. Not VMS

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Nicolas Dumeige — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:52:06 GMT

Antonio,

Thanks you for you offer of assistance.
Always nice to know you can count on ITRC members :)

Cheers

Nicolas

Re: User reference for OpenVMS Newbee

Dave Gudewicz — Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:35:46 GMT

Nicolas,

Continue on your VMS journey.

And now that I've thought about the "dead end" on Amazon, was this a book review? I think not.

I once again suggest to others here that have the book, please write a review.

Dave...