topic Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER in Operating System - OpenVMS

PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:20:51 GMT

odd Problem

2 alpha ds20e on same network

1 runs vms 7.3-2 and pathworks 6.0c
network mask on this machine is 255.255.255.128

the other runs vms 8.3 and pathworks 7.3B
when the network mask is 255.255.255.0 a PC can connect to shares, when the network mask is 255.255.255.128 it cant? also the command "net send" runs on the 1st machine but only runs on the 2nd when the mask is set to 255.255.255.128

is it possible to get both apps working at the same time from the 2nd machine and why does it rely so heavily on the subnet mask setting?

as of next week only the 2nd alpha will be on the network so i am hoping both net send and pathworks will be ok?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Steven Schweda — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:33:04 GMT

> [...] network mask on this machine is
> 255.255.255.128

And what are all the IP addresses and
netmasks on all these systems? And how many
disagree?

> [...] why does it rely so heavily on the
> subnet mask setting?

For the same reason(s) that _all_ of IP
networking relies on correct subnet mask
settings? If you're asking this question,
then you may not be the right person to be
configuring this stuff.

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 13:41:10 GMT

yes all the pc's are subnet mask 255.255.255.128 also

but why when 2 alphas on same subnet mask 255.255.255.128 does only one of them appear to allow connections via pathworks shares?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Steven Schweda — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:15:34 GMT

> And what are all the IP addresses and
> netmasks on all these systems? And how many
> disagree?

> yes all the pc's are subnet mask
> 255.255.255.128 also

Do you think that that answered my question?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Steven Schweda — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:34:37 GMT

> Nov 2, 2010 16:15:34 GMT 3 pts

An actual answer would be more helpful.

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Andy Bustamante — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 15:59:23 GMT

Silly questions, do both systems have license units available? Are you running the Pathworks 32 software on the PCs. What is the operating system on the PC(s)attempting to connect. Are the PCs and Alphaservers on the same subnet?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:05:07 GMT

Silly questions, do both systems have license units available?

yes they both do

Are you running the Pathworks 32 software on the PCs.

yes - but dont think this is totally required?

What is the operating system on the PC(s)attempting to connect.

Windows XP Pro

Are the PCs and Alphaservers on the same subnet?

Yes all on the same subnet - when one alpha changes to a different subnet pathworks shares become available on both

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Steven Schweda — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:16:56 GMT

> Yes all on the same subnet - [...]

PROVE IT. Display the IP addresses, as
repeatedly requested. Having the same
netmask is not the same as being on the same
subnet. Your opinion, while interesting, is
not so valuable as actual facts (which you
seem adamant about hiding).

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 16:21:30 GMT

my pc

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128

alpha

$ DAVE:SYSTEM> tcpip
TCPIP> show interface
Packets
Interface IP_Addr Network mask Receive Send MTU

IE0 129.94.185.46 255.255.255.128 40688 10016 1500
LO0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 605 605 4096

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Jan van den Ende — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:08:55 GMT

Robert,

>>>

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128
<<<
In short: THIS is your answer!

Nerwerk masks and IP adresses are really binary nmubers represented decimal.
... and .128 implies the first bit set, where .20 has not. Only addresses > .128 will "get masked in".

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Steven Schweda — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:18:09 GMT

It's like pulling teeth with your bare hands.

> 2 alpha ds20e on same network

> alpha

Which "alpha" is this? The one which works?
The one which doesn't?

Which part of "all" is so difficult to
understand?

Do you really expect to get any useful (free)
advice if you refuse to supply any (or
enough) useful information (as repeatedly
requested)?

> [...] Only addresses > .128 will "get
> masked in".

Huh?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:14:00 GMT

yes sorry the alpha DAVE is the one that isnt working

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Sam Samalsson — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:09:52 GMT

Class B net
netmask 255.255.255.128
network 129.94.185.0
broadcast 129.94.185.127
host addresses from 129.94.185.1 to 129.94.185.126

Are you within the limits on all the hosts ?
Do you have address conflicts on your subnet ?

Check the log files and event logs.

Check the TCPIP setup on all your hosts together with a friend.

Good luck !

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:14:15 GMT

>Are you within the limits on all the hosts ?

yes - the hosts are 45 and 46

>Do you have address conflicts on your subnet ?

no

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Hans Hosang — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:34:35 GMT

Then, Robert, they "should" be able to speak with eachother.

Next thing I would check is the IP gateway.
Is this gateway within the IP range Sam indicated?
If not, that could be your problem.

PC: ipconfig /all
VMS: tcpip sho route

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Hans Hosang — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:41:27 GMT

Other option;
Is your issue with PWRK ONLY?
Does telnet and other IP communication work well?
Do you have multiple IP interfaces in the box?
If so, do you have defined pwrk$knbdaemon_device logical name to the wrong interface?

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:48:44 GMT

Next thing I would check is the IP gateway.
Is this gateway within the IP range Sam indicated?
the gateway is 129.94.185.1

If not, that could be your problem.

PC: ipconfig /all
my pc shows this
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-16-35-61-9A-EF
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.20
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 129.94.185.1

VMS: tcpip sho route
here is a sample of this showing the 2 servers 45 and 46

AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.1
AH 129.94.185.0 129.94.185.45
AN 129.94.185.0/25 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.185.1 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20
AH 129.94.185.45 129.94.185.45
AH 129.94.185.46 129.94.185.46
AH 129.94.186.92 129.94.185.1

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:55:35 GMT

Other option;

Is your issue with PWRK ONLY?
YES

Does telnet and other IP communication work well?
YES

Do you have multiple IP interfaces in the box? no

TCPIP> show interface
Packets
Interface IP_Addr Network mask Receive Send MTU

IE0 129.94.185.46 255.255.255.128 67388 16520 1500
LO0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 795 795 4096

If so, do you have defined pwrk$knbdaemon_device logical name to the wrong interface?

$ DAVE:SYSTEM> show log pwrk$knbdaemon_device
"PWRK$KNBDAEMON_DEVICE" = "EIA0:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

Hans Hosang — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:55:58 GMT

Robert, it would have been handy if you would have splitup the 2 tables from the 2 alpha's, now its one bunch of spaghetty.
But, what I see sounds very wrong to me.
In the routing table i see:

AH 129.94.185.20 129.94.185.20

So here you are telling VMS that if it needs to send traffic to your PC (129.94.185.20) through interface 129.94.185.20.
It doesn't have an interface 129.94.185.20.
So that will fail.

please remove that route

Re: PATHWORKS 7.3 ADVANDCED SERVER

robert70 — Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:00:20 GMT

i see what you mean
i have removed this