topic Re: Edit when booted minimal in Operating System - OpenVMS

Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:53:57 GMT

I would like to be able to edit files when I have booted in mode minimal on a graphical station (vrc21). With edt or eve and in full screen mode, not line mode. And be able to use the do key.

I do a set dev/type=vt200 or vt100 but I only get a very confused eve.

Anyone a solution ?

Re: Edit when booted minimal

H_Bachner — Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:46:25 GMT

Sorry, this is not possible. The graphics console uses only a minimal device driver which does not support screen mode.

As I "learned" VMS on a LA120, the EDT line mode commands I used at that time are still handy for editing on the console :-)

Regards,
Hans.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Craig A Berry — Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:00:18 GMT

$ SET TERM/VT52

generally does the trick for EDT. I can't remember whether TPU can function in this mode or not.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:00:47 GMT

Unfortunately not:
$ edit/tpu login.com
%TPU-E-NONANSICRT, SYS$INPUT must be supported CRT
$

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Hein van den Heuvel — Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:13:07 GMT

Uwe,

Craig wrote... "for EDT". Try EDITX/EDT ...

SET TERM/VT52 will work. (Thank you Fred Kleinsorge! :-).

Hein.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:09:15 GMT

Just tried it (VMS 7.3 on ALPHAstation 500).

Doesn't work. Each time I type return the whole screen is redrawn. And it doesn't look like edt. Or did you all mean "only line editing mode".

Term char :
Terminal: _OPA0: Device_Type: VT52 Owner: SYSMGR_WVW

Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None
Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24

Terminal Characteristics:
Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape
No Hostsync TTsync Lowercase Tab
Wrap Scope
No Remote No Eightbit
No Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup
No Modem No Local_echo
No Autobaud No Hangup
No Brdcstmbx No DMA
No Altypeahd Set_speed
No Commsync No Line Editing Insert editing No Fallback
No Dialup No Secure server
No Disconnect No Pasthru
No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer port
Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode
No Advanced_video
No Edit_mode
No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2
No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4
No DEC_CRT5 No Ansi_Color
VMS Style Input

Btw : after a few minutes, my stations blocks completely without 1 message. I have to do a power off/on (control P no longer working). Even the keyboard is no longer seen (holdscreen gives no green led).

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:10:24 GMT

Hein,
I responded to this sencence from him: "I can't remember whether TPU can function in this mode or not."

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Craig A Berry — Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:59:24 GMT

Van, there is definitely VT52 emulation in most Alpha graphics consoles, and EDT does work in full screen mode, though with some limitations. Search comp.os.vms archives for more confirmation of that. I suppose it's remotely possible that the AlphaStation 500 didn't get the same treatment all the other machines of that vintage got, but it doesn't seem likely.

It may seem obvious, but confirm that you are indeed in the Alpha graphics console: it will say "OpenVMS Alpha Console" on the 25th line of the screen. You might also confirm that you have the latest firmware for your machine. The other symptoms you describe could have many causes, so I'm not sure what else to recommend.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:29:34 GMT

I don't have an Alpha at the moment to try, but I have an idea what the problem with the missing emulation might be:

when the system is booted with a 'minimum boot', then there is no autoconfiguration done. If I recall correctly, the "OpenVMS Alpha Console" that Craid has mentioned appears only after an 'MCR SYSMAN IO AUTOCONFIGURE' has run.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:18:38 GMT

When booting minimal, nothing is shown on the 25th line.

Did a IO AUTO and still not functioning.

And still a hang after some minutes.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:33:15 GMT

You are right :-( I could have sworn that it was the AUTOCONFIGURE! Well, I have done some investigation and it works for me when I execute the following command after the AUTOCONFIGURE:
$ @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$DEVICE

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:51:45 GMT

We're almost there.

EDT works but not all scan codes are recognized. But it is "workable".

EVE (or TPU) still don't work. I tried set term/vt100 but still not OK.

Was the minimal bot just a little to "minimal" ?

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:59:00 GMT

VT100 uses completely different control sequences for screen control like cursor up/down, etc.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:17:08 GMT

Just a small remark. I left my screen for a while and an X appeared. Somekind of screen saver. Only solutionis power off/on.

Uwe : so, no TPU.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:55:54 GMT

Oops, looks like I haven't waited long enough. I have seen hangs after minimum startup myself on various systems (VAX + Alpha) and different operating system versions. Perhaps somebody from HP can describe how to properly get working the VT52/EDT editing.

Anyway: definitely no TPU, but nobody has claimed that. Can't you connect to a serial port with a notebook or terminal to do the editing?

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:21:37 GMT

Uwe,

Just have a standard PC and a workstation.
For all the rest you need budgets.

Re: Edit when booted minimal

Uwe Zessin — Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:32:58 GMT

Well, a 'standard' PC should have the Hyperterm terminal emulator which isn't the greatest thing in the world, but should do the job if you just need to edit some files on a minimum boot. And if your employer has money for a GS160, then there should be some money for a serial cable. Otherwise it is a good idea to inspect the junk boxes...