topic Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir] in Operating System - OpenVMS

VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Tim Nelson — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:58:03 GMT

Running into some problems using a logical for dir command or set def to a directory under the logical.
"ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
SET DEF ADMIN:[UTIL]
%DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and other delimiters
DIR ADMIN:[UTIL]
%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening ADMIN:[UTIL] as input
-RMS-F-DIR, error in directory name
I origionally encountered this when using a search list logical like sys$sysroot as well. I read that search list logicals are special and the new directory must exist under all the searchable directories or an error will occur..
This should be easy.
Thanks in advance.

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Lokesh_2 — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:04:44 GMT

Hi,

Put a "." at the end (rooted logical)

$defin/system ADMIN SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]

Thanks & regards,
Lokesh

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Ian Miller. — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:07:36 GMT

DEFINE/SYSTEM/TRANS=CONC ADMIN SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]

Note trailing .

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:08:26 GMT

Make that
$defin/system ADMIN SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]/tran=conc

Wim

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

labadie_1 — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:09:16 GMT

It seems we go back to a recent thread about rooted directory

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=618645

and see particularly what John Gillings posted

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Tim Nelson — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:10:20 GMT

$ define /system/exec admin sys$sysdevice:[admin.]
$ show log admin
"ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
1 "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" = "ADMIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
2 "ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
3 "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" = "ADMIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
4 "ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
5 "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" = "ADMIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
6 "ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
7 "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" = "ADMIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
8 "ADMIN" = "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
9 "SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" = "ADMIN" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
$ set def admin
%RMS-F-DIR, error in directory name
$ set def admin:
%RMS-F-DIR, error in directory name
$ set def admin:[util]
%DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and other delimiters
Still being weird.. Could you eyeball the syntax above please ?

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Tim Nelson — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:15:00 GMT

define /system/exec/trans=conc admin sys$sysdevice:[admin.]
does the trick. I have been reading on the rooted logicals and still trying to apply the discussion to reality.
the trans=concealed is the ticket.
Apologize for missing that. It now makes sense.
Thanks to all !!!!

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Lokesh_2 — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:16:03 GMT

Give the following command:

deass/system/exec SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]
deass/system/exec admin

Then give the following command:

DEFIN/SYSTEM/TRAN=CON ADMIN SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]

Best regards,
Lokesh Jain

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:27:08 GMT

Tim,

Note also that you can not use concealed devices in the construction of concealed devices. 1 exception : the concealed device pointing to a device.

In other words : only 1 .] may be present in the logical expansion.

Wim

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Tim Nelson — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:39:41 GMT

Lokesh,
Is there a reason to not specify /exec ? I am looking to make this a system wide logical. ( yes I promise to read the doc a little better but want your opinion.

Thanks !

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Lokesh_2 — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:46:22 GMT

No, there is no reason. You can use /exec .

I guess earlier you were getting into loop with sho logical command because you were have this logical defined (perhaps you used assign command or just did reverse while defining logical)

sys$sysdevice:[admin.] = admin

So, I posted to deassign it.

Thanks & regards,
Lokesh

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Tim Nelson — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:53:24 GMT

Got it.. Yes I did accidentally use assign but thought I cleared it up..

I appreciate all the quick responses !!

Have a great weekend.

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:59:32 GMT

Tim,

/exec is sometimes required by software like job schedulers (e.g. jams).

Wim

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Ian Miller. — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:22:51 GMT

the reason for using /EXEC is that images that are installed will only look at exec mode logicals. Its a secuirity thing.

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Uwe Zessin — Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:29:20 GMT

If "ADMIN" is a 'rooted logical name' like "SYSSYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]", then you cannot reach this directory by:
$ SET DEFAULT ADMIN:

Use:
$ SET DEFAULT ADMIN:[000000]

I assume that the definition of ADMIN is correct, of course...

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

Martin P.J. Zinser — Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:28:46 GMT

Hi,

logicals you use in sysuaf to hide physical devices in login directories are a case where you need to go /sys/exec , else things like Mail will not work.

Greetings, Martin

Re: VMS error when set def or dir to logical:[dir]

John Gillings — Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:42:28 GMT

"SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ADMIN.]" is not valid a valid translation for a concealed device logical name. The translation MUST be in terms of physical device names. It may "work" in some contexts but that doesn't make it valid.

That this isn't explicitly documented in current manuals is an oversight. Expect it to be corrected in future documentation.