topic Re: :-O VMS is on "top members" in Operating System - OpenVMS

:-O VMS is on "top members"

Antoniov. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:00:44 GMT

Dear reader,
look carefully at ITRC main page http://forums2.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/parseCurl.do?CURL=%2Fcm%2F1%2C%2C%2C00.html&admit=-1335382922+1121323951120+28353475
please, look at top right corner
You can see the young Uwe at 25th position.
He brings both VMS and storage on "Top Members" where until now was reserved for unix people.

Dear vms friend,
don't forget assigning points here, if you love vms like us. Be generous. So other fellows of our comunicty can go on top rank.

Uwe,
thank you for your time and hints.
Please, continue.
You are Gr8!

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:23:33 GMT

http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/id-20050713.html

Hein is on 67th, you on 74th, Ian 77th, Jan 114th, Matin Zinser 122th, Volker 154th and I am 204th. John 219th, Bojan on 234th and Willem 238th.

The good news is : everyone is on this list.

Wim

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Kris Clippeleyr — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:56:40 GMT

Great achievement, Uwe.
Congrats.

And note that Uwe is the "youngest" ITRC member of those listed in the Top-25.
He joined the ITRC on February 16, 2004; the rest joined much earlier.

Again, great achievement, and keep on foruming.

Greetz,
Kris (aka Qkcl)

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Ian Miller. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:23:24 GMT

Well done Uwe, informative answers on a very wide range of topics and only 18 questions!
A shining example to us all.

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Uwe Zessin — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 01:54:14 GMT

Thanks for the friendly feedback - it is really appreciated. I already found a nice message from somebody else in my mailbox this morning.

"Young Uwe" ... giggle. When I _was_ young, I was always rated 3-4 years older. Nice to hear that it has turned the other way now. ;-)

> http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/id-20050713.html

Watch out, this page accumulates points from ITRC and Business support forums.

Ian, I have 2 questions and 18 responses in my profile.

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Antoniov. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 02:59:19 GMT

Wim,
in top 100, vms members are 4%. I think we are too little: vms is very important os.
I hope JPE and Volker early go into top 100 followed by some other fellow.
As Didier posted, it's important create the "mass effect" for vms
http://www.vmsgateway.net/

Thank to Uwe, who is the top of vms icesberg.

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Robert Gezelter — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:04:10 GMT

Antonio,

An interesting example of a possible effect of "backwards" metrics. Buggy and obscure can generate more "experts" (i.e., those with high scores), than a system that is debugged and documented. It is a little perverse when you think about it.

- Bob Gezelter (rank 490), http://www.rlgsc.com

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Jan van den Ende — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:16:25 GMT

Uwe,

GRATULIERE!

This is REALLY an achievement in this HPUX dominated environment.

And it shows that I really have some work to do before I get there :-(

Zum Wohl.

Ich spende Eine.

jpe

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Uwe Zessin — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:21:23 GMT

Antonio, it is Ian Miller who is at the top of VMS' iceberg.
I know why I don't claim "expert" status ;-)

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Antoniov. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:27:54 GMT

Robert,
I believe bunny and points don't create experts but forum it the modern concept of "agora" (agora was the place where Atheniens meet each other).
Vms member in top rank is just for advertisement :-)
This forum is very useful for vms people: I learned a lot of new things and I'm convinced it's the same for some other guy.

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Willem Grooters — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 03:29:58 GMT

Well, one must be the first ;-) But who will be the first VMS-only one in the top-25??

But regardless the remarks: congratulations, Uwe!.

Willem

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Hein van den Heuvel — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:08:27 GMT

Bob wrote: "An interesting example of a possible effect of "backwards" metrics. Buggy and obscure can generate more "experts" (i.e., those with high scores), than a system that is debugged and documented. It is a little perverse when you think about it."

It is not just the system, it is also it's user base. I scored a bunch of points in the HPUX forum with 'real' hpux questions, but I scored many more answerring 'simple' scripting and oracle questions. Often just a one-liner awk/perl/sed/grep answer would do.
Those questions were mostly platform independent, and indeed I mostly tested my answers under windows or VMS. Such questions just wil not be asked in say the Linux or VMS forums. The users for those forums can and will figure it out on their own.

fwiw,
Hein.

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Antoniov. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:15:49 GMT

Willem,
I bet for JIan ;-)

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Bojan Nemec — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:36:00 GMT

Uwe,

Congratulations,

is nice to see a VMS guy on the top 25 overall list!

Bojan

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Dave Unverhau_1 — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:40:01 GMT

I agree with Hein. That and the much higher "mileage" on the HP-UX forum is going to result in a much higher point total for the time being.

Anyway...congratulations, Uwe -- the kudos are well-deserved!

Best Regards,

Dave

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Jan van den Ende — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:56:18 GMT

Antonio,

if you are not looking too strickt, than Ian just _MIGHT_ pass off as VMS$only (just some congrats, and some 'general' issues), but ME?

I hold a green hat in HPUX points alone!
(but until now I never touched a HPUX system in my life as far as I am aware of)

-- mostly because they still rank most Forums issues is HPUX, and I like to enter "The VMS view" towards issues that have a much broader scope than just HPUX, but still, hardly VMS-only...

Then again, I rank scoring points on VMS education in the HPUX forum very high on my personal satisfaction!

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Eberhard Wacker — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:34:49 GMT

I agree with nearly all the things which are mentioned here. But I won't like to see a pure VMS problem solver on the podium ;-)
And I'm glad to have to maintain my systems with 10 or 30 patches instead of 2000 or 4000.

Congratz Uwe &
Cheers
EW

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Jan van den Ende — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:46:19 GMT

Oops!

Green hat?
It even is blue!

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Rudolf Wingert — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:13:44 GMT

Hello,

sorry, I did not understand why persons get points for that thread. If there is a good solution for a software- / hardware problem (sorry, I am a German and may be this word is to strong, then I understand, that you get points. This is the second thread, which I did see, where poeple get point for nothing (IMHO). Points should indicate how quality of service.

Best regards R. Wingert

Re: :-O VMS is on "top members"

Antoniov. — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:52:49 GMT

Rudolf,
in my mind, point assignation is a serious feature and a little game.
Everybody wants to earn points has to know matter and must take time to answer.
Points and hats give you a vague idea about knowledge of people; keep your own idea about the same people reading their posts.
However, for me, it's more important vms comunity (all fellows) can grow up than one or two people become important.

Antonio Vigliotti