topic Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device in Operating System - OpenVMS

Creating a queue on an NTY device

Chaim Budnick — Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:52:06 GMT

Is any special processor required for creating a printer queue on an NTY device?

I am looking at one of our customer systems and I see several queues which are defined on NTY devices and working fine, and a show queue/full does not show any special processor?

Thanks

Chaim

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Ian Miller. — Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:00:45 GMT

An NTY device looks like a serial port so no particular symbiont needed.

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Chaim Budnick — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:30:59 GMT

Thanks!

And what about a TNA port?

Chaim

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Bojan Nemec — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:46:49 GMT

Chaim,

It should be same as NTY. No special processors needed.

Bojan

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Chaim Budnick — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:08:17 GMT

Thanks!

So basically this makes obsolete the LPD and TELNET symbionts which were required way back when I was doing VMS work (I just recently got back into VMS after 4 years in the MS world).

Chaim

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Bojan Nemec — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:28:33 GMT

Chaim,

This is partialy true. The "standard" SYS$SYSTEM:PRTSMB.EXE processor allocates the printer device. The device is allocated until the symbiont runs (STOP/NEXT stop the symbiont). The SYS$SYSTEM:LATSYM.EXE processor introduced that the device is allocated only for the duration of the job. This is needed when one printer is used from more than one computer. There is a rudimental queue on the printer server (or printer itself) which blocks simultaneous jobs. This queue works on connections. When a connection is established all others are blocked.
So depends on yours environment if you need TELNET or LPD symbionts or you dont need them.

Bojan

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Antoniov. — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:42:22 GMT

I'm with Bojan,
for example with tcpip processor you can supply IP address and you don't need create a TNA port before starting queue.

Antonio Vigliotti

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Jan van den Ende — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:33:34 GMT

Small supplement to Antonio:

You need the IP address (or, preferably, a DNS name that tranlates to an IP address) _AND_ the portnumber at the printer (for HP printers that will be port 9100; other brands, look at their documentation)
(partial) queue init syntax:
... /ON=prt1.our-domain:9100 ... (or, of course, /AUTOSTART_ON= etc)

hth

Cheers.

Have one on me.

Jan

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Martin Vorlaender — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:38:47 GMT

To clear up some apparent confusion:

*Either* you create the telnet device beforehand (using IP/name and port) and don't need a queue processor,

*or* you create the queue using /ON with the IP/name and port *and* specify the TELNETSYM processor

cu,
Martin

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:37:48 GMT

Just to understand this thread : is this multinet only ? If not, how do you create NTY devices ?

Wim

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Martin Vorlaender — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:54:43 GMT

You can create telnet devices on HP TCP/IP services, too. See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_035.html#tel_create_sess_sec

HTH,
Martin

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Doug Phillips — Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:40:26 GMT

I, too, thought NTY devices were Multinet and they use a processor something like MULTINET_NTYSYM or is that just from my old rusty memory:-)

TCP/IP for OVMS creates TNA's but I didn't know it could create NTY's. And, I haven't looked lately, but I know that once upon a time you could set NTY device spooled but not a TNA. Has that changed?

Doug

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Martin Vorlaender — Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:37:00 GMT

>>>
I too, thought NTY devices were Multinet and they use a processor something like MULTINET_NTYSYM or is that just from my old rusty memory:-)
<<<

Your old rusty memory is correct. As I see it, in Multinet, any terminal device is an NTY device. Just like TNAs are in TCP/IP Services.

>>>>
TCP/IP for OVMS creates TNA's but I didn't know it could create NTY's. And, I haven't looked lately, but I know that once upon a time you could set NTY device spooled but not a TNA. Has that changed?
<<<

Never tried that (neither with a TNA nor with an NTY).

cu,
Martin

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Carl Bennett — Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:10:27 GMT

You're going to want to use the MULTINET_NTYSMB processor for NTY queues, and you want to be sure to have the latest updates from Process, as there were some bugs in 4.2 and 4.3 (I haven't tried multinet 5 yet, but I'm on the list for the 5.1 beta)...

Also, we kept getting blank pages after the print jobs, so I started throwing a reset into the queue that looked something like this...

RESET
PE\
SEPARATE
]VMS;2\

The whole thing looks something like this...

$ init /que /start /on = /record -
/default = (NOFEED,NOFLAG,NOBURST,NOTRAIL,FORM='QFORM) -
/process = MULTINET_NTYSMB/retain = error /sched = nosize -
/separate = (reset =(reset,separate)) /no_initial_ff

For best results with these, you do want to spool them, and they won't create unless you build the NTY first...

NTYCP:==$MULTINET:NTYCP
NTYCP CREATE PORT /NODE = XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX /PORT = XXXX

Re: Creating a queue on an NTY device

Jan van den Ende — Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:46:57 GMT

Chaim,

Robert,

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