topic Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI in Operating System - OpenVMS

Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Cass Witkowski — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:28:43 GMT

Is there any documentation for the CLUE SCSI command? In another thread someone mentioned the CLUE SCSI/SUMMARY command. On my V7.3-2 system I could do the command but under CLUE the SCSI command was not mentioned.

Also on the output of the CLUE SCSI/SUMMARY command the width of the type field should be expanded. The MSA1000 is showing up as MSA100.

Thanks

Cass

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Kris Clippeleyr — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:49:13 GMT

Hi Cass,

Just a short description at:
http://www-gsi-vms.gsi.de/HELP/@CLUE$HELP/CLUE/SCSI

Greetz, and Happy New Year,

Kris (aka Qkcl)

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Cass Witkowski — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:59:19 GMT

Kris,

Thanks for the info.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Uwe Zessin — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 01:22:49 GMT

So, on your own system you can do:

$ help/library=clue$help clue

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Jan van den Ende — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:32:47 GMT

Uwe,

not on our systems!
%RMS-E_FNF, file not found CLUE$HELP.HLB.
and there really is NO file call CLUE$HELP
anywhere online.

VMS 7.3-2, patches up to early nov 2004

Did we miss something, do you need an extra install, anything else?

Proost.

Have one on me.

Jan

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Uwe Zessin — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:35:31 GMT

Wow, that's a surprise! You are right!

But I tried in on an OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H3 system and it works there.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Volker Halle — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:37:07 GMT

Jan,

CLUE HELP has been integrated into SDA HELP. For some reason, the help text for CLUE SCSI has been lost/omitted/forgotten...

Volker.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Jan van den Ende — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:29:23 GMT

Uwe,

our system EVOLVED from 6.1-1H? via 6.2-1H? etc to the current 7.3-2.

If it ever was 6.2-1H, does this mean the file was REMOVED, or was it added later to 6.2, and NOT to 7.x?

Somehow it does not look consistent to me...

Proost.

Have one on me.

Jan

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Uwe Zessin — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:37:35 GMT

Jan,
it is my understanding that an operating system upgrade will delete the old version, first. See attachment.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Volker Halle — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 04:54:01 GMT

CLUE has been around as an integral part of OpenVMS Alpha since V6.1. It has been (and still is) implemented as a SDA extension (SYS$LIBRARY:CLUE$SDA.EXE).

It's help file has been integrated into SDA HELP some time ago (around V7.3 time frame). The help text for CLUE SCSI has probably been lost at that time. Whether by accident or not - only HP can tell.

The separate CLUE help library is not provided anymore - and would have been removed by an operating system upgrade, as Uwe has shown.

Volker.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Kris Clippeleyr — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:17:48 GMT

Guys,

The separate CLUE help library is not provided anymore - and would have been removed by an operating system upgrade, as Uwe has shown.

That is true for systems upgraded to V7.3. Some of our systems (V7.1-2, V7.2-2) still have the CLUE$HELP.HLB.

So Jan, maybe you can get it back from an old backup?

Greetz,

Kris (aka Qkcl)

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Volker Halle — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:29:37 GMT

All topics of the CLUE$HELP.HLB help library have been moved into SDA.HLB (except CLUE SCSI).

CLUE SCSI was NEVER documented in the SDA manual anyway (even for V7.1).

Feel free to log a call with HP to ask for the SDA> HELP CLUE SCSI text to be included in a future version...

In the mean time, use the link provided earlier or some of your old OpenVMS systems.

Volker.

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Uwe Zessin — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 05:39:41 GMT

There are some more differences that might be looked at.

V6.2-1H3:
*Logicals* CLEANUP CONFIG CRASH *DEBUG* ERRLOG HISTORY *KPB* MCHK MEMORY PROCESS *SCSI* STACK VCC XQP

V7.3-2:
CALL_FRAME CLEANUP CONFIG CRASH ERRLOG FRU HISTORY MCHK MEMORY PROCESS REGISTER SG STACK SYSTEM VCC XQP

Re: Any documentation for CLUE SCSI

Volker Halle — Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:01:04 GMT

Uwe,

you're right. The 'now undocumented' old commands still work:

HELP CLUE logicals describes some of the standard CLUE$* logicals.

CLUE DEBUG shows versions and activated images in current CLUE$SDA session (for troubleshooting CLUE problems).

CLUE KPB/ADDRESS=n formats a KPB (Kernel Process Block) - if you know how to find one ;-)

And here are the qualifiers for CLUE SCSI

/CONNECTION=n /PORT[=n]
/REQUEST=n /SUMMARY /TARGET=n

(n is a virtual address of an appropriate data structure: SCDT, SPDT, SCDRP, STDT).

Volker.