topic Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi in Operating System - OpenVMS

Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Jim Geier_1 — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:16:43 GMT

One of the side-effects of using the recommended /erase qualifier to prepare disks for a shadow set is that the volume characteristic erase_on_delete is set. This is easily turned off using SET VOLUME/NOERASE, but I was wondering how to determine whether the erase_on_delete characteristic is set for a volume. So I experimented using f$getdvi and found no change in the DEVCHAR, DEVCHAR2, DEVDEPEND, and DEVSTS bitmaps before and after setting /erase on the volume.

How does one determine whether erase_on_delete is set for a volume? Am I missing or overlooking something obvious?

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Uwe Zessin — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:21:26 GMT

Stupid question, but why bother and not blindly do the:
$ SET VOLUME/NOERASE

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Jim Geier_1 — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:27:11 GMT

Not a stupid question, and one could certainly issue SET VOLUME/NOERASE for all disks on a system -- that would be very practical and perhaps even efficient.

It would be interesting to know how to determine the state of the erase_on_delete characteristic for a given volume. SHOW DEVICE certainly knows how, and DELETE knows how, and I'd like to know how.

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Ian Miller. — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:49:15 GMT

Its in the volume control block
VCB$B_STATUS2
bit 3 set means erase on delete.

The VCB address is in the UCB at UCB$L_VCB

In SDA
sda> READ SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SYSDEF
sda> SHOW DEV DKxxx
sda> EXAM VCB+VCB$B_STATUS2

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Volker Halle — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:04:18 GMT

Jim,

the ERASE-bit is not a DEVICE characteristics, but a VOLUME characteristic.

The VCB$V_ERASE bit is stored in the VCB (Volume Control Block). Visible with SDA>SHOW DEVIVE Dxxx
...
--- Volume Control Block (VCB) 82773B80 ---

Volume: TOOLS Lock name: TOOLS
Status: A0 extfid,system
Status2: 1C mountver,erase,nohighwater
...

There does not seem to exist a F$GETDVI lexical function argument to obtain this characteristic of a volume (even V7.3-2 VOLCHAR does not do it).

Volker.

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Jan van den Ende — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:19:26 GMT

And. Jim,

if you really want it in DCL without running SDA, capturing the output, and parsing it, then there are some crazy tricks that can be done.

Look at

http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=746158

and find the explanations by John Gillings.

If you understand enough of that to be able to use that as a blueprint, together with Ian's answer, then go ahead.

If it is not sufficiently clear what he is doing, and why, then you are probably wiser by not using it, but even then it is very instructive of some of the workings.

Have fun, and if you DO venture, please inform us of your results!

Proost.

Have one on me.

Jan

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Robert Brooks_1 — Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:46:27 GMT

Hi,

Over 20 new $GETDVI item codes have been added for V8.2 (both Alpha and I64). Please see the System Services reference manual for more details.

For your coding pleasure, among the new item codes added is dvi$_erase_on_delete.

--Rob

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Jim Geier_1 — Tue, 31 May 2005 15:41:02 GMT

Starting with V8.2, OpenVMS Engineering eliminated the ambiguity of the INITIALIZE command with the /ERASE qualifier both erasing the volume *and* setting the erase-on-delete volume characteristic by enhancing the /ERASE qualifier for the INITIALIZE command to take a value, one of either /ERASE=INIT or /ERASE=DELETE. Omitting the value replicates the pre-V8.2 behaviour, causing the erasure of the volume and the setting of the erase-on-delete characteristic.

Additionally, the lexical function F$GETDVI has a new argument, ERASE_ON_DELETE, returning True or False to indicate whether the eraee-on-delete volume characteristic hsa been set.

Good things come to those who wait...thanks!

Re: Erase-on-delete -- how to determine via $getdvi

Jim Geier_1 — Tue, 31 May 2005 15:42:10 GMT

Requested f$getdvi code included in OpenVMS Alpha V8.2.