topic Re: openVMS WEB builder in Operating System - OpenVMS

openVMS WEB builder

John Donovan_4 — Thu, 26 May 2005 12:25:13 GMT

Is there a product I can get to create WEB pages on OpenVMS much like Dreamweaver, NetOjects, etc?

Re: openVMS WEB builder

labadie_1 — Thu, 26 May 2005 12:39:28 GMT

Mozilla Composer ?

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Craig A Berry — Thu, 26 May 2005 15:25:09 GMT

I think NetBeans also has HTML editing support.

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Ken Robinson — Thu, 26 May 2005 16:46:02 GMT

You can use any editor to create your HTML source. If you don't want to write HTML, create your pages on a PC or MAC and FTP the source files to VMS.

Ken

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Kris Clippeleyr — Fri, 27 May 2005 02:08:10 GMT

Hi John,
We recently ported ASHE (A Simple HTML Editor) to VMS.
Have a look at
http://www.quadratrix.be/products/open_source_material.html
Regards,
Kris (aka Qkcl)

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Robert Gezelter — Fri, 27 May 2005 04:52:20 GMT

John,

In addition to the interactive utilities already mentioned, note the availability of XML and XSLT implementations for OpenVMS.

Used properly, XML and XSLT are powerful technologies to generate mass numbers of www pages from similarly structured underlying data. This is far more powerful than many techniques generally used in the www world. In particular, careful use of these tools can be integrated with batch production processes, eliminating requirements for manual intervention in workflows.

I hope that the above is helpful.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Bojan Nemec — Fri, 27 May 2005 06:47:17 GMT

Bob,

Good point!

You can use XSLT to move contents away from the external look of the WEB page. You must only define an XML specification on how you write yours documents an write one or more XSL files which converts yours documents to HTML (and not only HTML). I use this technique to write all my documentation which is then used in PDF or HTML.

When you need more features, just expand the definition and add this to the XSL files.

Of course you must learn XSLT which is not so dificult. See the links at W3C:

http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL/

Bojan

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Carl Couric — Fri, 27 May 2005 10:39:41 GMT

As an OpenVMS ISP, many of my clients do use Dreamweaver. We use the HG Ftp to get OpenVMS files to look more like "UNIX" style, even with ODS-5 disks, and handle FTP properly. Why can't you just use Dreamweaver to create your Web pages?

Carl
http:\\www.carlc.com - OpenVMS webhosting since 1999

Re: openVMS WEB builder

John Donovan_4 — Tue, 31 May 2005 10:51:22 GMT

Kris - I've downloaded ASHE and so far no luck with building it. I've opened the ZIP in a [WEBTOOLS.XHTML] subdirectory, the restored the backup file there. When I run QPORT.COM it 1st complained that is could find DECSRIP.MMS, so I move that where it was looking. Then it reported to me
"Building ASHE (aka XHtml 1.3) for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2

%MMS-F-GWKNOPRN, There are no known sources for the current target
$1$DGA101:[VMS_SUPPORT.WEBTOOLS.XHTML.WWW.QUADRATRIX.DOWNLOADS.CONTRIB.VMS]XHTML.C"

What have I missed?

Also, to answer those who have suggested buidling on a PC and exporting to OpenVMS, I don't always have a PC available when I need to make changes, so I woud rather have it native to OpenVMS (which is a better working environment anyway). Thanks for your input.

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Kris Clippeleyr — Tue, 31 May 2005 14:24:19 GMT

John,

My apologies for the late reply.

To build ASHE, you have to

1. Download the tarball from:
http://fresh.t-systems-sfr.com/unix/src/www/.warix/xhtml-1.3.tar.Z.html
(pick the ".tar.gz" file)

2. Run Gnu Zip against the tarball
(Note that I named it XHTML-1_3_TAR.GZ)
$ gz :== $the$disk:[the.path]gzip.exe
$ gz -d XHTML-1_3_TAR.GZ
(This produces the file XHTML-1_3_TAR
I renamed that to XHTML-1_3.TAR)

3. Put that file in an empty directory ( say [XHTML-1_3] ) & run VMSTAR against it
$ tar :== $the$disk:[the.path]vmstar.exe
$ tar -xovf XHTML-1_3.TAR
(This creates a subdirectory [.SRC] with all the source files)
4. The contents of the ZIP-file, .BCK file you've downloaded from our website should be put in the directory [.CONTRIB.VMS] next to the [.SRC] directory, with the exception of QPORT.COM which should be located in [XHTML-1_3].

5. Make sure you edit QPORT.COM to tell it where to find "LibHtmlW" and "LibCCI"

6. Then set default to [XHTML-1_3] and @QPORT from there.

This should do the trick.

As an attachment, I'm including a directory listing of our XHTML directory tree.

Hope this helps,
Kris (aka Qkcl)

Re: openVMS WEB builder

John Donovan_4 — Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:19:50 GMT

Kris - Sorry to bug you again, but I don't have "LibHtmlW" and "LibCCI" on my servers.
I pulled the ZIPs off your WEB and attempted to create them, but again I get "There are no known sources for the current target" this time for HTML.C.

Can I just download the already built version of "LibHtmlW" and "LibCCI" and try creating XHTLM again?

Otherwise I'm gonna go with Composer...

Re: openVMS WEB builder

Kris Clippeleyr — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 02:10:29 GMT

John,
Sorry to have to disappoint you.
For the "open source" products, we've only put our changes vis-a-vis the original tarball (patches, build procedures) on our website, no complete kits.
To build a library and/or product, you have to download the tarball, unpack it, download our patches, apply them, and execute QPORT.COM (as I described earlier).
Regards,
Kris (aka Qkcl)