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    <title>topic Re: Indexed File Fragmentation in Operating System - OpenVMS</title>
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    <description>Jack,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;There are other couple other Fragmentation analysis tools available....&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;DFU is avaailable on the OpenVMS Freeware CD.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;and FRAGMENT also in the freeware CD, you can download from here... &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freeware/FRAGMENT/" target="_blank"&gt;http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freeware/FRAGMENT/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Archunan</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:45:44 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Arch_Muthiah</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2006-03-22T17:45:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969177#M75312</link>
      <description>How is the internal fragmentation of an indexed file determined?  Does ANALYZE/RMS provide this information?  If so, what fields should I look at and what are the "rules of thumb" to determine a "degree of fragmentation" to help determine when to reorganize the file?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;PS Since ANA/RMS doesn't work on an OPEN file, is there another program which will work with open files?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;TIA</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:32:14 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Jack Trachtman</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T16:32:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969178#M75313</link>
      <description>Jack,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;There is Dynamic Load Balancer Plus (DLB Plus) is Automatic OpenVMS Tuning and I/O Analysis Tool. There is a utility comes with this, called RSFRAG, under &lt;BR /&gt;12.3 RSFRAG - File Fragmentation Analysis, can be used for your needs...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.ttinet.com/doc/dlbplus_clean.html#preface" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.ttinet.com/doc/dlbplus_clean.html#preface&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Archunan</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:32:07 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Arch_Muthiah</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T17:32:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969179#M75314</link>
      <description>Jack,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;There are other couple other Fragmentation analysis tools available....&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;DFU is avaailable on the OpenVMS Freeware CD.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;and FRAGMENT also in the freeware CD, you can download from here... &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freeware/FRAGMENT/" target="_blank"&gt;http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freeware/FRAGMENT/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Archunan</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:45:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969179#M75314</guid>
      <dc:creator>Arch_Muthiah</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T17:45:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969180#M75315</link>
      <description>Jack,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;And from google, I found these for you...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Compaq's DSNLINK tool and one more third party tools Diskeeper 7.2, the details abt these tools are...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://www.diskeepereurope.com/en/02_sb/xhtml/openvms.htm" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.diskeepereurope.com/en/02_sb/xhtml/openvms.htm&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;archunan&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:47:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969180#M75315</guid>
      <dc:creator>Arch_Muthiah</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T17:47:41Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969181#M75316</link>
      <description>To look at internal rms bucket/key info you need the freeware tool rms_tune_check. &lt;BR /&gt;The definitive guide to all this is&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/rms.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/rms.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Phil</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:11:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Phil.Howell</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T18:11:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969182#M75317</link>
      <description>Archunan,&lt;BR /&gt; Sorry, but I fail to see how any of the 3 replies addreses the specific question being raised.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Phil,&lt;BR /&gt;Ayup, my tune_check tool will report excessive RRV's&lt;BR /&gt;But the article highlights just the potential Duplicate Key problem which tune_check may discover.&lt;BR /&gt;I intend to do a 'deleted key chain' article for the June 2006 edition.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The tool is in:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/rms_tools/" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/rms_tools/&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I'll attach a minor update which I'll submit with other tools fro the next Freeware release.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Jack,&lt;BR /&gt;It is good to see you are aware of the potential of 'internal fragmenation'.&lt;BR /&gt;ANAL/RMS only provides this data in an indirect way.&lt;BR /&gt;There are tools made just for this, but I couldn't find a public pointer just now (I have my copies ;-).&lt;BR /&gt;Tune_check -s=-1 will do an exhausitve count of rrv's&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Unlike anal/rms my tune_check will work on open files, and does not lock. Of course this means it potentially could get confused, for a life file, but i have yet to see that happen, and if it does... just run again.&lt;BR /&gt;An other silly, but sometimes appropriate, alternative is to use backup/ignore=interlock and analyze the copy.&lt;BR /&gt;The best solution really is to analyze the old file from before the last convert.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Anyway.. don't get too excited about internal fragmenation. Yes it is not clean and yes it may cause additional IOs, but for most appliactions I have dealt with there are much bigger problems to attack first&lt;BR /&gt;(global buffers? bucket size? locking?).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Come to the OpenVMS Bootcamp in May 2006 here in Nashua and I'lll tell you all about it, or feel free contact me ofline for individual help/consultancy.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Hope this helps,&lt;BR /&gt;Hein.&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:25:40 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969182#M75317</guid>
      <dc:creator>Hein van den Heuvel</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-22T21:25:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969183#M75318</link>
      <description>Jack, another tool no body has mentioned is ANAL/RMS/FDL :-&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;"For indexed files, the FDL file contains special analysis sections you can use with the EDIT/FDL Optimize script to make better design decisions when you reorganize the file."&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;You could potentially use the data in the optimise file to determine how much space is taken up with empty buckets, and if the file needs converting.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Rob.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2006 04:46:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969183#M75318</guid>
      <dc:creator>Robert Atkinson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-23T04:46:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Indexed File Fragmentation</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969184#M75319</link>
      <description>Thanks all</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:13:59 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/indexed-file-fragmentation/m-p/4969184#M75319</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jack Trachtman</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2006-03-27T18:13:59Z</dc:date>
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