topic Re: Passing files between systems in Operating System - OpenVMS

Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:24:41 GMT

We run two independent Alpha's both connected to the same IP network. One runs VMS 7.1-H2 (box A) the second runs 7.2-1 (box B). Here's the problem.

From box B I can copy/delete/read files on box A but when I try to do anything from box A, such as a DIR on box B I get the following message...
%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening WILL::DKA0:[DBB_BKUP]*.*;* as input
-RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation

All the files have RWE priv on all groups and the disk has Vol Prot of RWCD for all groups.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance...

Re: Passing files between systems

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:28:36 GMT

IP network but using decnet !

Check
1) the protection of dka0:[000000]dbb_bkup.dir : must be at least r.
2) Do you use proxies (mc authorize show /prox *) ? Are they correctly setup ?

Wim

Re: Passing files between systems

Robert Gezelter — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:43:34 GMT

Tony,

I suspect that you may have proxies defined on one machine and not on the other.

Please note that the error message that you included WAS NOT "... WILL" password"::..." but was "... WILL::DKA ...".

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:16:31 GMT

There are proxy's set up as follows:-

On the system 'RACHEL'

WILL::DEFAULT
DEFAULT

WILL::SYSTEM
SYSTEM (D)

and on system 'WILL'

RACHEL::DEFAULT
DEFAULT

RACHEL::SYSTEM
SYSTEM (D)

Are these correct ?

Re: Passing files between systems

Art Wiens — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:17:15 GMT

And if you're not using Decnet proxies (and you are using Decnet), then the default Decnet account is being used for access on "box B". Verify it's status in Authorize and check into it's effective permissions it would have on the files in your backup directory.

And when you say "RWE priv on all groups", you mean for W:orld right?

Cheers,
Art

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:20:23 GMT

Also... I have check the protection on the files and they are RWE on S, O, G and W.

Bob,

When copying from B to A (which works) I do not include a username / password.

Tony.

Re: Passing files between systems

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:46:35 GMT

And the dir prot ?

Which VMS user is executing these commands ?

Wim

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:20:05 GMT

Copy of the file prot below...

FHDB100.DBB;1 (RWED,RWED,RWE,RWE)
FHDB500.DBB;1 (RWED,RWED,RWE,RWE)
GLDB100.DBB;1 (RWED,RWED,RWE,RWE)
GLDB500.DBB;1 (RWED,RWED,RWE,RWE)
MANDB100.DBB;1 (RWED,RWED,RWE,RWE)

The same user is copying the files with full system privilage.

One point that may be relevant - I am using 'SET HOST' to connect to box B when copying the files.

Re: Passing files between systems

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:38:56 GMT

$ dir/sec dka0:[000000]dbb_bkup.dir

Re: Passing files between systems

Wim Van den Wyngaert — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:39:52 GMT

"The same user is copying the files with full system privilage."

Does this mean that you are logged in as SYSTEM ?

The set host has no influence.

Wim

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:00:18 GMT

Wim,

I am not logged in as 'System' but as a user with full system privilage.

Tony.

Re: Passing files between systems

Phillip Thayer — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:03:24 GMT

Have you tried just changing the COPY command to COPY/FTP and see if that works?

Phil

Re: Passing files between systems

Robert Brooks_1 — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:17:53 GMT

I am not logged in as 'System' but as a user with full system privilage.

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Try it from the SYSTEM account and report back here. Or, add a proxy entry for the account that you are using. Using an account with elevated privileges is *not* the same as performing the same operation from the SYSTEM account, especially since DECnet proxy access is username-based.

-- Rob (VMS Engineering)

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:29:06 GMT

Hi Everyone,

I think I may have resolved it based on Bob's suggestion. The A box is running UCX and the B box TCP. I tried including a when copying to the UCX box from the TCP one and it works!

Many thanks for all your help.

Tony.

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:33:57 GMT

Caught out by UCX requirements!

Re: Passing files between systems

Robert Brooks_1 — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:37:48 GMT

I think you are still confused; it is likely that the TCP/IP protocol is completely irrelevant to this problem, unless you are using the COPY/FTP syntax.

I'm glad that you've solved your problem, even if you don't understand why.

-- Rob

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:56:06 GMT

Thanks Rob, it does work now. I can only assume that UCX requires the user name but TCP does not.

Tony.

Re: Passing files between systems

Robert Brooks_1 — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:40:02 GMT

I can only assume that UCX requires the user name but TCP does not.

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Sorry -- bad assumption. You need to understand the difference between networking protocols -- in this case DECnet and TCP/IP.

You are using the DECnet protocol to access the data, not TCP/IP. The proxy information you posted is specific to DECnet, and has nothing to do with TCP/IP.

Please note that I'm not trying to "pick" on you; I'm interested in making sure that you have a (more) complete and accurate understanding of how this stuff works.

-- Rob

Re: Passing files between systems

Tony Marron — Thu, 15 Jun 2006 05:05:37 GMT

Hi Rob,

Thanks, this is not an area that i normally get involved with so it is all a bit new to me. They are using box B to store backup files so I am looking for the best soliution to moving those. Using the System account did work without the user name in the command but I want to set up a DCL routine to do that so I dont want the users to have access to that account.

Cheers,

tony.