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    <title>topic Re: SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors in Operating System - OpenVMS</title>
    <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949502#M81959</link>
    <description>Receiving SCSI extended sense data is normal, and is not a cause for concern.  Some drives return it, some don't.  The SCSI drivers log it if and when they receive it, and that's what you are seeing.  (The SCSI driver stack dates back to an era before it was in common use.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Including the following citation is a little surreal, but that's fodder for another discussion:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_6205.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_6205.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Also see the V8.2 -- far newer than your V6.2-1H3 release, and SCSI DKDRIVER stack has changed over the intervening releases -- discussion of this same message:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/6318pro_023.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/6318pro_023.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;These can particularly crop up in multi-host SCSI environments, where the other system has just lobbed a bus reset at the SCSI.  (This is also why multi-host SCSI buses don't do so well with tapes, because the reset can cause the tape to rewind.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Having this entry labeled as an error isn't comforting, true.  If the error log started showing (other, non-unit attention or unit attention not extended sense data) errors, then that could be a matter of some concern.&lt;BR /&gt;This sense data was in response to the host lobbing a Test Unit Ready command.  &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you start to see scan errors or revectoring or other such, or if this isn't a multihost configuration and you continue to see mount verifications, then I'd start to get worried.  And I'd look to swap.  And even new disks do see substantial failure rates -- the most recent numbers I've seen published show an annual disk failure rate of about 6% per year, starting around the third year.  (There are a couple of very interesting papers recently published in this area, too, from Google and from CMU.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you're concerned about this, consider contacting your hardware support organization, and ask them for their input.  &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you yourself are the hardware support organization, the usual caveats around ensuring spares are available and ensuring current BACKUP copies can and do apply.  Older disks can and do fail, and the disk-level SMART monitoring and such are not very good at spotting an impending disk failure.  And most sites will need to roll in the disk backups, sooner or later -- hardware support contract or not.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Stephen Hoffman&lt;BR /&gt;HoffmanLabs&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:25:16 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Hoff</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-02-22T10:25:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949498#M81955</link>
      <description>Hi,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I have a cluster of OpenVMS Alpha 800s. From time to time I get extended sense errors as below:-&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;******************************* ENTRY  214 ******************************** &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS &lt;BR /&gt;System Architecture               2. Alpha &lt;BR /&gt;OS version                           V6.2-1H3 &lt;BR /&gt;Event sequence number           134. &lt;BR /&gt;Timestamp of occurrence              22-FEB-2007 09:16:36   &lt;BR /&gt;Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:11:07 &lt;BR /&gt;Host name                            ESB      &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;System Model                         AlphaServer 800 5/500 &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Entry type                        1. Device Error &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;---- Device Profile ----               &lt;BR /&gt;Unit                                 $1$DKB200 &lt;BR /&gt;Product Name                         RZ1BB-CS &lt;BR /&gt;Vendor                               DEC &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;-- Driver Supplied Info -              &lt;BR /&gt;Device Firmware Revision             0656 &lt;BR /&gt;VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device &lt;BR /&gt;SCSI ID                         x02 &lt;BR /&gt;SCSI LUN                        x00 &lt;BR /&gt;SCSI SUBLUN                     x00 &lt;BR /&gt;Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful completion   &lt;BR /&gt;Command Opcode                  x00  Test Unit Ready &lt;BR /&gt;Command Data                           &lt;BR /&gt;                                x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                                x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                                x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                                x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                                x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                                       &lt;BR /&gt;SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition &lt;BR /&gt;Remaining Byte Length            18. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;--- Sense Data For Device            RZ1BB-CS, 2GB SCA-2 Fast 10 &amp;amp; Fast 20 - &lt;BR /&gt;                                     7200RPM &lt;BR /&gt;Error Code                      x70  Current Error &lt;BR /&gt;Segment #                       x00 &lt;BR /&gt;Information Byte 3              x00 &lt;BR /&gt;            Byte 2              x00 &lt;BR /&gt;            Byte 1              x00 &lt;BR /&gt;            Byte 0              x00 &lt;BR /&gt;Sense Key                       x06  UNIT ATTENTION &lt;BR /&gt;Additional Sense Length         x0A &lt;BR /&gt;CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                  Byte 2        x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                  Byte 1        x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                  Byte 0        x00 &lt;BR /&gt;ASC &amp;amp; ASCQ                    x2902  ASC/ASCQ not available from Seagate. &lt;BR /&gt;FRU Code                        x02 &lt;BR /&gt;Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                   Byte 1       x00 &lt;BR /&gt;                   Byte 2       x00 &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;----- Software Info -----              &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining    &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable    &lt;BR /&gt;IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000 &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$x_STS                 x08065910  Online &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Busy &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Software Valid &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Unload At Dismount &lt;BR /&gt;                                     "Mount Verification" In-Progress &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Volume is Valid on the local node &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Suppress "Success" Mount Verification &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Message &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Unit supports the Extended Function bit &lt;BR /&gt;IRP$L_PID                 x84BBAC50  Requestor "PID"    &lt;BR /&gt;IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset    &lt;BR /&gt;IRP$x_BCNT                        0. Transfer Size In Byte(s)    &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$x_ERRCNT                      1. Errors This Unit    &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$L_OPCNT                    1272. QIO's This Unit    &lt;BR /&gt;ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UIC    &lt;BR /&gt;UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x1C4D4008  Directory Structured &lt;BR /&gt;                                     File Oriented &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Sharable &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Available &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Mounted &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Error Logging &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Capable of Input &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Capable of Output &lt;BR /&gt;                                     Random Access &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;What do they mean and should I be concerned?&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks &lt;BR /&gt;Andrew</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:41:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949498#M81955</guid>
      <dc:creator>A.W.R</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-02-22T08:41:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949499#M81956</link>
      <description>&amp;gt; Time since reboot 0 Day(s) 0:11:07 &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; ASC &amp;amp; ASCQ x2902 ASC/ASCQ not available from Seagate. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;That ASC/ASCQ indicates a SCSI bus reset. You said that this system was part of a cluster and I can see that it had just been booted. Is it possible that another node in the cluster was booted at this time and wanted to share this disk? If so, it's possible that the other node caused the bus reset while it was attempting to discover which devices were available to it during its initialization and that this node was reacting to that noise.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:05:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949499#M81956</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jim_McKinney</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-02-22T09:05:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949500#M81957</link>
      <description>I should also have said that it is normal for these sorts of errors to be logged by active systems when a new system that wishes to share a SCSI bus is introduced into a cluster.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:15:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949500#M81957</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jim_McKinney</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-02-22T09:15:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949501#M81958</link>
      <description>If that's on a shared SCSI bus and a node was recently rebooted then it's not unusual.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:26:56 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949501#M81958</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ian Miller.</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-02-22T09:26:56Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: SCSI Cluster - extended sense errors</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949502#M81959</link>
      <description>Receiving SCSI extended sense data is normal, and is not a cause for concern.  Some drives return it, some don't.  The SCSI drivers log it if and when they receive it, and that's what you are seeing.  (The SCSI driver stack dates back to an era before it was in common use.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Including the following citation is a little surreal, but that's fodder for another discussion:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_6205.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_6205.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Also see the V8.2 -- far newer than your V6.2-1H3 release, and SCSI DKDRIVER stack has changed over the intervening releases -- discussion of this same message:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/6318pro_023.html" target="_blank"&gt;http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/6318pro_023.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;These can particularly crop up in multi-host SCSI environments, where the other system has just lobbed a bus reset at the SCSI.  (This is also why multi-host SCSI buses don't do so well with tapes, because the reset can cause the tape to rewind.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Having this entry labeled as an error isn't comforting, true.  If the error log started showing (other, non-unit attention or unit attention not extended sense data) errors, then that could be a matter of some concern.&lt;BR /&gt;This sense data was in response to the host lobbing a Test Unit Ready command.  &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you start to see scan errors or revectoring or other such, or if this isn't a multihost configuration and you continue to see mount verifications, then I'd start to get worried.  And I'd look to swap.  And even new disks do see substantial failure rates -- the most recent numbers I've seen published show an annual disk failure rate of about 6% per year, starting around the third year.  (There are a couple of very interesting papers recently published in this area, too, from Google and from CMU.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you're concerned about this, consider contacting your hardware support organization, and ask them for their input.  &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If you yourself are the hardware support organization, the usual caveats around ensuring spares are available and ensuring current BACKUP copies can and do apply.  Older disks can and do fail, and the disk-level SMART monitoring and such are not very good at spotting an impending disk failure.  And most sites will need to roll in the disk backups, sooner or later -- hardware support contract or not.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Stephen Hoffman&lt;BR /&gt;HoffmanLabs&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:25:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/scsi-cluster-extended-sense-errors/m-p/3949502#M81959</guid>
      <dc:creator>Hoff</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-02-22T10:25:16Z</dc:date>
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