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NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Prem Mohan — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:23:24 GMT

Hi All,
The NTP works fine on Open VMS7.3-2,But I cannot see it while I do a PS NTP on one node.I have a 4 node system and it works well in all four & also PS NTP shows in all three except the fourth.
I have checked the permissions,Secuirity,owner etc.

Working Node:

dir TCPIP$NTP.CONF;19 /full

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

TCPIP$NTP.CONF;19 File ID: (11805,205,0)
Size: 9/35 Owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP]
Created: 11-APR-2007 13:40:04.45
Revised: 11-APR-2007 13:40:04.45 (1)
Expires:
Backup:
Effective:
Recording:
Accessed:
Attributes:
Modified:
Linkcount: 1
File organization: Sequential
Shelved state: Online
Caching attribute: Writethrough
File attributes: Allocation: 35, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0
No version limit
Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 88 bytes
Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control
RMS attributes: None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:
Access Cntrl List: None
Client attributes: None

Total of 1 file, 9/35 blocks.
dir TCPIP$NTP.CONF;19 /sec

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

TCPIP$NTP.CONF;19 [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP] (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 1 file.
dir *login* /sec

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

LOGIN.COM;1 [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP] (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 1 file.
ucx show service ntp /full

Service: NTP
State: Enabled
Port: 123 Protocol: UDP Address: 0.0.0.0
Inactivity: 0 User_name: TCPIP$NTP Process: TCPIP$NTP
Limit: 1 Active: 0 Peak: 0

File: TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP_RUN.COM
Flags: None

Socket Opts: Rcheck Scheck
Receive: 0 Send: 0

Log Opts: Acpt Actv Dactv Conn Error Exit Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct TimO Addr
File: SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG

Security
Reject msg: not defined
Accept host: 0.0.0.0
Accept netw: 0.0.0.0
ps ntp
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node A 14-APR-2007 12:02:41.56 Uptime 3 01:47:23
20200435 VIQ_NTP_V353 HIB 15 5182091 0 00:01:44.51 398 434
20200C36 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 10 246076 0 00:00:01.12 390 330 N
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node A 14-APR-2007 12:02:41.57 Uptime 3 01:47:04
20400433 VIQ_NTP_V353 HIB 15 3544660 0 00:02:12.26 398 434
20401121 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 10 241648 0 00:00:01.27 352 330 N show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node A 14-APR-2007 12:02:52.66 Uptime 3 01:47:34
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
20200423 TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 550533 0 00:00:33.36 645 379 N
20200C36 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 10 246087 0 00:00:01.12 390 330 N

Non-working Node:( Rather non-showing node )
dir SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.CONF; /full

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

TCPIP$NTP.CONF;3 File ID: (20084,19,0)
Size: 9/35 Owner: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP]
Created: 11-APR-2007 13:40:04.45
Revised: 14-APR-2007 12:16:13.00 (6)
Expires:
Backup:
Effective:
Recording:
Accessed:
Attributes:
Modified:
Linkcount: 1
File organization: Sequential
Shelved state: Online
Caching attribute: Writethrough
File attributes: Allocation: 35, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit
Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 0 bytes, longest 88 bytes
Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control
RMS attributes: None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:
Access Cntrl List: None
Client attributes: None

Total of 1 file, 9/35 blocks.
dir SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP.CONF; /sec

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

TCPIP$NTP.CONF;3 [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP] (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 1 file.
dir SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]*login* /sec

Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

LOGIN.COM;1 [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP] (RWED,RWED,RE,)

Total of 1 file.
ucx show service ntp /full

Service: NTP
State: Enabled
Port: 123 Protocol: UDP Address: 0.0.0.0
Inactivity: 5 User_name: TCPIP$NTP Process: TCPIP$NTP
Limit: 1 Active: 1 Peak: 1

File: TCPIP$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP_RUN.COM
Flags: Listen

Socket Opts: Rcheck Scheck
Receive: 0 Send: 0

Log Opts: None
File: not defined

Security
Reject msg: not defined
Accept host: 0.0.0.0
Accept netw: 0.0.0.0
show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node SMST24 14-APR-2007 12:20:03.96 Uptime 16 21:22:09
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2853378 0 00:02:16.67 743 308 N
0000A999 TCPIP$NT_BG2918 LEF 10 1147 0 00:00:00.12 746 348 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N

Appreciate your response and help.

Prem.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:49:40 GMT

Hi Prem,

1. Compare the contents ($ diff) of the failing node with one of the working nodes for file TCPIP$NTP.CONF

2. examine sys$specific:[tcpip$ntp]tcpip$ntp_run.log; for any clues as to why it failed (does the file even exist ? what about previous versions - are there any ? any errors ?)

3. I assume you're using a common uaf or there's nothing different about uaf tcpip$ntp account.

4. from the system managers account you can restart NTP on the failed node by issuing @sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_startup but I'd suggest looking for reasons as to why it's not running 1st.

Kind Regards
John.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Prem Mohan — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:21:33 GMT

Hi John,

For question 1

I actually FTPed the file from working node to the other, NTP itself works fine, But I just cannot view it using PS NTP.
How ever I can see it in show system /net
NTP itself is working on all the nodes.

Question 2

I do not see a *ntp*run*.log file in sys$specific:[tcpip$ntp]

Question 3

UAF is not shared, But there is nothing
different

Showing node

TCPIP$NTP TCPIP$NTP [3655,7] TCPIP Normal 8 SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

in non-showing node

TCPIP$NTP TCPIP$NTP [3655,6] TCPIP Normal 8 SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]

question 4
I have already done that.

Again NTP works fine on the non-showing node as well, its inconvinient that its just not showing

Best Regards
Prem.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Prem Mohan — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:34:25 GMT

Hi John,

There are no errors in *ntp*run*.log files, Please see below NTP is running but in one
node it is TCPIP$NTP_1 and on the other it is TCPIP$NT_BG2918
thats why its not appearing on PS NTP

PS == "PIPE SHO SYS /CLUSTER | SEARCH SYS$INPUT NODE,"

Showing Node: show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node SMST21 14-APR-2007 13:29:46.20 Uptime 3 03:14:27
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
20200423 TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 561342 0 00:00:34.06 645 379 N
20200C36 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 9 251473 0 00:00:01.20 390 330 N

non-showing node

show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node SMST24 14-APR-2007 13:28:49.85 Uptime 16 22:30:55
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2861483 0 00:02:17.02 743 308 N
0000A999 TCPIP$NT_BG2918 LEF 10 6212 0 00:00:00.17 746 348 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Steven Schweda — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:42:55 GMT

"ps" is not a VMS command.

SHOW SYMBOL PS (everywhere)

I _assume_ that "ps" is defined to use a
command procedure to do something like:

SHOW SYSTEM /PROCESS = *'p1'*

but if "ps.com" (or whatever) is missing the
asterisks on one system, that could explain a
lot.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Steven Schweda — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:46:54 GMT

Oh. Too late. But it was a fair guess.

TCPIP SHOW VERSION look the same everywhere?

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:50:05 GMT

Like Steve, I assumed PS was some sort of SHOW SYSTEM x y z (not difficult based on the output provided). However I missed your point about it being NT_BG and actually running... oh what IP version I think 5.4 ECO 6 was the last for 7.3-2

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:51:51 GMT

Have you tried stopping & starting NTP on this node ? does the prcnam revert ?

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Steven Schweda — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:01:30 GMT

I like my "ps" better anyway.

alp $ PS == "PIPE SHO SYS /CLUSTER | SEARCH SYS$INPUT NODE,"

alp $ ps ntp
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node ALP 14-APR-2007 05:56:28.13 Uptime 19 20:34:11
20200235 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 10 1720820 0 00:00:15.41 302 301 N
202002DA my_name_is_node LEF 4 923782 0 00:05:58.19 215970 145

Slightly better would be something like:

PS == "PIPE SHO SYS /CLUSTER | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "" on node "","

alp $ ps ntp
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node ALP 14-APR-2007 05:57:42.45 Uptime 19 20:35:26
20200235 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 10 1720894 0 00:00:15.41 302 301 N

But that's still subject to error:

alp $ ps ntp
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node ALP 14-APR-2007 05:58:51.84 Uptime 19 20:36:35
20200235 TCPIP$NTP_1 LEF 9 1720964 0 00:00:15.41 302 301 N
202002DA x on node y LEF 9 923833 0 00:05:58.21 216052 140

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:29:16 GMT

Never used this one myself ( http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/set_prcnam/ ) but there's always useful tools on the freeware, this one allows you to change a prcnam. The freeware is always worth a browse.

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Jan van den Ende — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:31:41 GMT

Prem, (and others)

perhaps because my focus is different, but what caught my I is

>>>
I have a 4 node system and
<<<
combined with
>>>
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2853378 0 00:02:16.67 743 308 N
0000A999 TCPIP$NT_BG2918 LEF 10 1147 0 00:00:00.12 746 348 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N
<<<

Look at the PIDs. This is _NOT_ a cluster PID syntax, but from a standalone VMS system!

And that is the most I will say about this, because I know just too little of the details of NTP, but those who do might have further questions based on this.

hth

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:59:48 GMT

Hi Jan, thought you'd still be sleeping off the celebration ! Hope you downed 10 !

Perm, are you sure this PID is NTP ? Does a $ show proc/cont/id=a999 really show tcpip$ntp.exe ? I ask as your cpu usage is v.small.

Also, long shot... is there are other prcnam called TCPIP$NTP_1 on the system ?

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Volker Halle — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:22:17 GMT

Prem,

to add to John's question:

Also, long shot... is there are other prcnam called TCPIP$NTP_1 on the system ?

or WAS there - at the time of starting NTP ?

Volker.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:30:11 GMT

> or WAS there - at the time of starting NTP ?

Indeed my thoughts too ! Perhaps not started via the documented/usual methods as it would have complained about being active !

Perm,

What does the output from

$ show log/tab=tcpip$startup_table reveal ?

Does the *NTP* logical contents (start time stamp) match that of $ f$getjpi("a999","logintim") ?

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Prem Mohan — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:48:40 GMT

Hi John,

There are no other procesess with *NTP* as the prcname.

Working/Showing node <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> show log/tab=tcpip$startup_table

(TCPIP$STARTUP_TABLE)

"TCPIP$FTP_CLIENT_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.55 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$FTP_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.51 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$INET_DRIVER_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.59 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$NTP_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 18:56:05.22 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$PROXY_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.46 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$PWIP_DRIVER_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.75 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$REXEC_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.81 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$RLOGIN_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.85 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$RSH_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.88 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$SNMP_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:40.98 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$TELNET_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:41.07 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$XDM_STARTED" = "Completed: 11-APR-2007 10:16:41.12 User: SYSTEM"

Working/non-Showing node <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

> show log/tab=tcpip$startup_table

(TCPIP$STARTUP_TABLE)

"TCPIP$FTP_CLIENT_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:04.96 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$FTP_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:04.88 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$INET_DRIVER_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.03 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$NTP_STARTED" = "Completed: 14-APR-2007 12:17:41.61 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$PROXY_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:04.79 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$PWIP_DRIVER_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.36 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$REXEC_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.49 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$RLOGIN_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.60 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$RSH_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.67 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$SNMP_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.83 User: SYSTEM"
"TCPIP$TELNET_STARTED" = "Completed: 28-MAR-2007 14:58:05.95 User: SYSTEM"
> ps ntp
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node XX 14-APR-2007 15:37:27.33 Uptime 17 00:39:32
00000422 VIQ_NTP_V353 HIB 15 17482901 0 00:10:20.81 450 314
> show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node XX 14-APR-2007 15:38:09.75 Uptime 17 00:40:14
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2876645 0 00:02:17.75 743 308 N
0000A999 TCPIP$NT_BG2918 LEF 10 14422 0 00:00:00.20 746 348 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N
ST24:SMSC> show proc /id=a999

14-APR-2007 15:38:29.77 User: TCPIP$NTP Process ID: 0000A999
Node: 24 Process name: "TCPIP$NT_BG2918"

Terminal:
User Identifier: [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NTP]
Base priority: 8
Default file spec: Not available
Number of Kthreads: 1

Devices allocated: BG2928:
BG2929:
BG2930:
BG2931:
BG2937:

Soft CPU Affinity: off
write sys$output f$getjpi("a999","logintim")
14-APR-2007 12:18:49.58

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Volker Halle — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:55:50 GMT

Prem,

stop NTP on the 'non-working' node using @TCPIP$CONFIG. Make sure the process is gone. If not, use STOP/ID to stop it.

Then start NTP again using @TCPIP$CONFIG.

Volker.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Prem Mohan — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:13:11 GMT

Enter configuration option: 2
%TCPIP-I-INFO, service disabled
%TCPIP-I-INFO, process TCPIP$NT_BG2918 (pid=0000A999) stopped <<<<<<<
%TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names deleted
%TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE deinstalled
%TCPIP-S-SHUTDONE, TCPIP$NTP shutdown completed
Press Return to continue ...

> show system /net
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node XXX 14-APR-2007 16:01:17.02 Uptime 17 01:03:21
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2879347 0 00:02:17.88 743 308 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N

after I start <<<<<<<<<

NTP configuration options:

1 - Disable service on this node

2 - Start service on this node

[E] - Exit NTP configuration

Enter configuration option: 2
%TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE installed
%TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created
%TCPIP-I-INFO, service enabled
%TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCPIP$NTP startup completed
Press Return to continue ...

Still I cannot see the NTP PID while using the show system /netw

> show system /netw
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node XX 14-APR-2007 16:03:30.54 Uptime 17 01:05:35
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2879582 0 00:02:17.89 743 308 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6
759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N
But If I go into ntpq and issue the peers command,
> ntpq

ntpq> peers
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
==============================================================================
172.24.54.198 172.20.238.101 3 u 1 64 1 0.924 9.079 0.488
172.24.54.199 0.0.0.0 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00
172.24.26.28 0.0.0.0 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00
172.20.236.19 0.0.0.0 16 u - 64 0 0.000 0.000 4000.00
ntpq> exit
> show system /netw
OpenVMS V7.3-2 on node XX 14-APR-2007 16:04:06.90 Uptime 17 01:06:11
Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page flts Pages
0000041C TCPIP$FTP_1 LEF 9 2879700 0 00:02:17.89 743 308 N
0000AC3D TCPIP$NT_BG3411 LEF 10 1074 0 00:00:00.11 747 329 N
00002A05 TASK_14010005 HIB 6 759 0 00:00:00.14 682 270 N
> The NTP process is observed as TCPIP$NT_BG3411

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

John Abbott_2 — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:14:16 GMT

Prem,

pid a999 TCPIP$NT_BG2918 is not the original NTP_1, as it login time is different from that shown in the logical name table. I suspect another copy was started and the first one killed off/died (you could use the accounting file or security log file or look for and odd .dmp files). Perhaps not worth it. You can simply stop and start as Volker suggests.

Top stop
stop/id=a999 (as mentioned by Volker) OR
@sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_shutdown

To start:
@sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_startup OR
@tcpip$config and exit (it will ask if you want to start NTP)

$ sho sys/net
:-)

J.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Volker Halle — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:21:01 GMT

Prem,

TCPIP$NTP_1 should be automatically started by @TCPIP$CONFIG when starting the NTP service. The fact that it seems to only be started, if you use the ntpq command, indicates that there is something wrong.

Please have a look at the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]TCPIP$NTP_RUN.LOG file.

Volker.

Re: NTP Works Fine,But I cannot see it in PS NTP

Volker Halle — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:37:24 GMT

Prem,

on the 'failing' node:

Limit: 1 Active: 1 Peak: 1

This indicates that NTP seems to have been started by a 'connect'. NTP should have been started as a detached process and show up like this:

Limit: 1 Active: 0 Peak: 0

Volker.