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    <title>topic Re: Image backup on DDS3 in Operating System - OpenVMS</title>
    <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054087#M85942</link>
    <description>Get rid of DDS, and replace it with something faster and more reliable.  With DLT or SDLT, for instance -- used DLT gear is available.  (No, I'm definitely not a particular fan of DDS/DAT storage.  It's cheap for a reason.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Off-load your disk I/O and your tape I/O onto different SCSI buses.  Avoid bus-level contention.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Defragment the input disks.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Reduce application-level I/O contention.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Set up the quotas on your BACKUP account.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://64.223.189.234/node/49" target="_blank"&gt;http://64.223.189.234/node/49&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Replace the Alpha system here with something faster.  The AlphaServer 1000A is an ancient and very slow Alpha box.  A used AlphaServer DS- or ES-class box will run rings around this box, and these boxes are readily available on the used-equipment market.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Consider acquiring a shelf or three of StorageWorks disks, and run your BACKUP operations disk-to-disk    24 GB is a very small and very old disk by current standards, so disks in this range and larger will be available for little cash.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://64.223.189.234/node/54" target="_blank"&gt;http://64.223.189.234/node/54&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Remember that /IGNORE=INTERLOCK allows for silent application data corruptions within the output saveset.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Look at upgrading to a newer version of OpenVMS.  Newer OpenVMS releases tend to have far faster I/O subsystems.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Stephen Hoffman&lt;BR /&gt;HoffmanLabs LLC&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:36:42 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Hoff</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-08-13T17:36:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054085#M85940</link>
      <description>Hi All,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;We have OpenVMS 6.2 version running on Alpha Server 1000A 5/400. We have four DDS1 tape libraries where the image backup of several hard drives is taken.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;The command for backup is:-&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=(INTERLOCK,LABEL)/BLOCK=65534/NOCRC-&lt;BR /&gt;  /GROUP=0/RECORD/NOASSIST 'drive': 'tapedrive':w'drive'.bak/save-&lt;BR /&gt;  /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACT&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;These commands are run in loop for several hard disks.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I also have a DDS3 tape library, and hence I would like to combine all four scripts to backup the data on a 24GB drive. &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Currently 4X4GB=16GB data is being backed up in four DDS1 drives.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Now the question is, considering the amount of time spent in taking the image backup per hard drive, what would be the best possible way to reduce the time consumption.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Currently,&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;1 Backup tape finishes in around 4-5 hours (4-5 hard drives image backup)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;concurrently, other three also take similar time... which means that the backup finishes in 4-5 hours.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;After converting all the scripts to DDS3 it would take around 16 hours, since backup happens sequentially (correct me if I am wrong).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Hence please put in your thoughts on how can I reduce the time consumption to somewhat equal hours, compare to current.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Thanks,&lt;BR /&gt;Rahul Khare.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:03:41 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054085#M85940</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rahul Khare</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-13T15:03:41Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054086#M85941</link>
      <description>&amp;gt; After converting all the scripts to DDS3 it&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; would take around 16 hours, since backup&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; happens sequentially (correct me if I am&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;gt; wrong).&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Certainly, _if_ the DDS3 drive writes to tape&lt;BR /&gt;at the same speed as the DDS1 drives, and&lt;BR /&gt;_if_ nothing else is different.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Knowing nothing, I'd expect a tape drive two&lt;BR /&gt;generations newer to be at least a _little_&lt;BR /&gt;faster.  Of course, it depends on what the&lt;BR /&gt;limiting link in the chain is now.  Reading&lt;BR /&gt;four disks at the same time may be slower&lt;BR /&gt;than reading one disk at a time, too.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Why not run a medium-sized test on both type&lt;BR /&gt;drives?  I'd expect reality to be more&lt;BR /&gt;accurate that any guesses you get here from&lt;BR /&gt;people who don't know how your disk drives&lt;BR /&gt;and tape drives are connected, or where your&lt;BR /&gt;current bottleneck is.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:38:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054086#M85941</guid>
      <dc:creator>Steven Schweda</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-13T15:38:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054087#M85942</link>
      <description>Get rid of DDS, and replace it with something faster and more reliable.  With DLT or SDLT, for instance -- used DLT gear is available.  (No, I'm definitely not a particular fan of DDS/DAT storage.  It's cheap for a reason.)&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Off-load your disk I/O and your tape I/O onto different SCSI buses.  Avoid bus-level contention.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Defragment the input disks.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Reduce application-level I/O contention.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Set up the quotas on your BACKUP account.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://64.223.189.234/node/49" target="_blank"&gt;http://64.223.189.234/node/49&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Replace the Alpha system here with something faster.  The AlphaServer 1000A is an ancient and very slow Alpha box.  A used AlphaServer DS- or ES-class box will run rings around this box, and these boxes are readily available on the used-equipment market.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Consider acquiring a shelf or three of StorageWorks disks, and run your BACKUP operations disk-to-disk    24 GB is a very small and very old disk by current standards, so disks in this range and larger will be available for little cash.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="http://64.223.189.234/node/54" target="_blank"&gt;http://64.223.189.234/node/54&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Remember that /IGNORE=INTERLOCK allows for silent application data corruptions within the output saveset.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Look at upgrading to a newer version of OpenVMS.  Newer OpenVMS releases tend to have far faster I/O subsystems.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Stephen Hoffman&lt;BR /&gt;HoffmanLabs LLC&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:36:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054087#M85942</guid>
      <dc:creator>Hoff</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-13T17:36:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054088#M85943</link>
      <description>And as always test how fast BACKUP can read the data off the disk:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;$ BACKUP input/your_qualifiers NLA0:a.a/SAVE&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;If that time is close to what you see with writing the save set to your tape drive then the disk access is most likely the bottleneck.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Try it with the four disk drives you have.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;/Guenther</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:24:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054088#M85943</guid>
      <dc:creator>Guenther Froehlin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-16T18:24:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054089#M85944</link>
      <description>And I forgot...&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Make sure the DIOLM of the process doing the backups is less than 50. Make sure that PQL_MDIOLM is also less than 50.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;With a large DIOLM and multiple backups going to disk at the same time I would expect a long I/O queue building up basically making the four operations sequential. Depends on how the disks are connected.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;Watch MONITOR DISK/ITEM=QUEUE_LENGTH while your backups run.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;/Guenther</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:29:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054089#M85944</guid>
      <dc:creator>Guenther Froehlin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-16T18:29:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Image backup on DDS3</title>
      <link>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054090#M85945</link>
      <description>Adding to what Guenther Froehlin said:&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I would add /GROUP=0/NOCRC if you want to minimize the processing done by backup.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;It will still read the same amount from the drives, but won't create the XOR redundancy groups or calculate the CRC.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;$ BACKUP input/your_qualifiers NLA0:a.a/SAVE/GROUP=0/NOCRC&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:52:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.hpe.com/t5/operating-system-openvms/image-backup-on-dds3/m-p/4054090#M85945</guid>
      <dc:creator>Jon Pinkley</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2007-08-16T18:52:42Z</dc:date>
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