topic Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's in Operating System - OpenVMS

how to Execute application script with application ID's

shiva27 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:50:34 GMT

We do the weekly reboot of VMS server, One of the application startup file needs to execute automatically while every weekly reboot, I've added script into site specific startup as below,
$@test.com;/out=test.log.

question:after weely reboot some of logicals not able to see by application team.

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Hein van den Heuvel — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:03:47 GMT

>> We do the weekly reboot of VMS server

Ah! The good old, more often than not useless, therapeutic reboot. Oh well.

>> after weely reboot some of logicals not able to see by application team.

Somewhere in the startup, those logical had better become defined right?

As a first step, AFTER that is succesfully done, START a batch queue dedicated to the application.

As a second step, don't run the 'test' script it in the starup itself, but submit it to this (stopped) application dependent batch queue.

Alternatively, just submit the job with a delay. For example: SUBMIT /ATER="+1:00" ...

hth,
Hein.

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

shiva27 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:27:49 GMT

Manually, when i execute this as ,

$set uic [G,application ID]
$spaw
$@test.com;

Application team are able to see all logically as defined into scripts.

So if i put as below is it work ?
$submit/UIC=[g,appID]

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Steven Schweda — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:10:36 GMT

> So if i put as below is it work ?

What happens if you try that? (You tell me
if it works.)

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

shiva27 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:33:56 GMT

I want to put into system startup script as per application team requirement.

appreciate if you suggest this way.

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Hakan Zanderau ( Anders — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:58:57 GMT

Are the logicals defined in a GROUP-table ?
( not seen by everybody )

Do a SHOW LOGICAL/FULL 'logical' and check in what nametable they are defined.

Hakan Zanderau
HA-solutions

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Joseph Huber_1 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:20:58 GMT

> So if i put as below is it work ?
> $submit/UIC=[g,appID]

On MY systems no, it doesn't work, there is no /UIC qualifier to submit, but there is a /USER qualifier.
Submit the command-file to a user in the group with the necessary privileges to do the desired actions, i.e. have the GRPNAM privilege to be able to DEFINE/GROUP and so on.
I call this account a "group administrator": it needs not be a "real" user, it just needs to have batch access, no interactive,network,remote etc.

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Hakan Zanderau ( Anders — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:59:36 GMT

Check TEST.COM how the logicals are defined.

Do a SET UIC in the commandfile itself.
( Don't forget to set it back to [1,4] when done )

or

DEFINE/TABLE=LMN$GROUP_nnnn logical xxxxxx

Hakan Zanderau
HA-solutions

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

shiva27 — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:40:57 GMT

Okay. Let me verify this. I will get back to u with result.

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

John Gillings — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:41:10 GMT

shiva,
Please don't use SET UIC. It doesn't do what you think or hope it does. Most of the time it just causes trouble.

The easiest way I know of to ensure a group logical name table is created is with the RUN command:

$ RUN/UIC=[grp,0] nl:

Since it's not necessarily synchronous, you may want to pause for a short time after the command before defining your logical names.

$ RUN/UIC=[grp,0] nl:
$ WAIT 00:00:00.10

(note the process itself will fail attempting to execute from NL:, but that's not until after the table has been created).

I'd suggest you review the "weekly reboot" policy. It really isn't necessary, and it's obviously causing trouble! (although I guess we could argue that it's just revealing bugs in your startup scripts that should be fixed ;-)

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Paul Jerrom — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:49:59 GMT

Shiva,
The group table does not get created until a process belonging to that group occurs - unless you want to play about with setting up the group table yourself, which gets messy. Much easier to $ SUBMIT/USER=someuseraccountfromthatgroup TEST.COM - which will 1) create the group name table and 2) assign your logicals into that group table (assuming you are using group logicals).

have fun
PJ

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

shiva27 — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:18:51 GMT

Thanks ! It's thru.
I've ran this successfully as,
$Submit/user=system/noprint/keep test.com;

Re: how to Execute application script with application ID's

Hakan Zanderau ( Anders — Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:04:26 GMT

Hmmm.....

It doesn't work in a normal boot,
but it works with SUBMIT/USER=SYSTEM ( at boot )

I may be stupid sometimes, but shouldn't a

$ @TEST
and
$ SUBMIT/USER=SYSTEM TEST

during boot do the same thing ?

Hakan