topic Re: VAX system booting problem in Operating System - OpenVMS

VAX system booting problem

Swain — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:05:47 GMT

I want to take a full image backup of system disk.I am trying to create a standalone backup kit for Alpha VMS 6.2-1H3 on Digital AlphaServer 1000A (5/400) referring HP OpenVMS System Manager’s Manual, Volume 1: Essentials.

Following are the problems I faced:

- @SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT invokes SYS$SYSTEM:AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM which does not accept tape as target
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Enter device name for target disk: (? for choices) MKC600:
MKC600: is not a disk device
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- My cd drive is Online wrtlck, I can't use that as target
- I tried building kit on disk dkc0 which was successful (refer attachment), but it didn't boot from when I tried
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>>> B/R5:E000000 dkc0
no such command
or
>>> B/R5:1000000 dkc0
no such command
or
>>> boot dkc0
(hung console)
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- I tried using CD AG-QSC4C-RE labeled ALPHA0621H3 and dated May 1996 for booting.
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>>> boot dka500 (hung console)
or
>>> B/R5:E000000 dka500
no such command
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Q1: I waited 40 min before going for a hard boot. Do I have to wait more to get $$$ ?
Q2: What should I do to get a kit built on tape?
Q3: Is there any support available from HP to get image backup backup of system disk on VAX?

Thanks,
Amaresh

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:07:44 GMT

Attachment.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Robert Gezelter — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:28:03 GMT

Amaresh,

I do not have the manuals in front of me, but I suspect that BOOT/R5 is the VAX format of the boot command. On Alpha SRM, the boot command is BOOT -fl n,m .

I suspect that a VAX image would not be useful. The system is described as an Alpha.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steven Schweda — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:43:20 GMT

> VAX system booting problem

> [...] AlphaServer 1000A (5/400) [...]

An Alpha system is not a VAX system.

Alpha systems do not use Standalone BACKUP,
which is why SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM invokes
something else on an Alpha system.

So far as I know, no Alpha system can boot
from tape. CD-ROM and hard disk are ok.

> - My cd drive is Online wrtlck, I can't use
> that as target

Do you mean your CD-ROM drive, where the "RO"
in "ROM" stands for "Read-Only"? Is this a
surprise?

> >>> B/R5:E000000 dkc0
> no such command

Try:

>>>help boot

Or try reading the user's guide for that
system.

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/1000a/
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/1000a/1000a_tech.html
http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/1000a_owners_guide.pdf

Skip to chapter 4, if you're in a hurry.

> >>> boot dka500 (hung console)

What is dka500?

> Q1 [...]

If you waited for more than a minute or so,
then you wasted your time.

> Q2 [...]

Buy a VAX. You can't boot an Alpha from
tape.

> Q3 [...]

Yes, but you don't seem to have a VAX.

Interestingly, if all you want is an image
backup of the system disk, then there's a
manual for that, too.

http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/index.html
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os83_index.html
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os73_index.html
(Too new, but it should be close enough.)
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6017/6017pro.html
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6017/6017pro_044.html#6017backup
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6017/6017pro_050.html#sbkup_sec

Generally, it's better to read the manual
first, and _then_ ask here if you have a
question.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steven Schweda — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:57:27 GMT

For historical reference only:

http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1373514

> [...] as explained in the documentation:

Reading the manuals can be helpful. Honest.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steve Reece_3 — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:59:29 GMT

There are several options for taking a backup of the system disk on your AlphaServer system Amaresh.

First, as others have said, the boot commands that you've been using are for a VAX system rather than an AlphaServer. You can use AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM to create the Alpha equivalent of a stanadalone backup kit on disk (in Alpha terms, it's a minimum install of VMS which is bootable) though you're probably better off booting from CD if you can.
Booting from tape is something that was never added to OpenVMS on Alpha which is why you cant use AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_MIN.COM to write to a tape drive.

If you boot from CD, you can then choose the option of run DCL commands and mount the system disk and tape manually, followed by the backup.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:29:40 GMT

Hi,

Thanks for all your help.

To Steven: dka500 is my cd drive.

I tried
>>> BOOT -FLAGS E,0 dkc0
after making a kit to disk dkc0. but the console hung.

Thanks,
Amaresh

Re: VAX system booting problem

Jan van den Ende — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:04:32 GMT

Amaresh,

>>>
dka500 is my cd drive.
<<<

So, stick any Operating System CD into dka500, and
>>> B dka500

This will get you a subset of the OS, with a menu that has a oa a choice to get to DCL.

Now your normal system disk is just a data disk and available as source for BACKUP.
Be sure to make a /IMAGE backup; that also saves the correct aliases for the system directories.

hth

Proost.

Have one on me.

jpe

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:53:51 GMT

Jan,

Thanks for your reply. I waited for 30 min before going for a hardboot. Usually, how long does it take for the menu system to come on console after I use B dka500?

Amaresh

Re: VAX system booting problem

Duncan Morris — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:13:08 GMT

Amaresh,

there should be no long delay when booting from the CD - it should proceed just like a boot from a hard disk, just a little slower.

At what point were you waiting? Did it show that there was a valid boot block?

Duncan

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:20:40 GMT

for >>> B dka500
console gets hung (no proress on screen)
The cd drive looks busy in intervals as if it's trying to read.

Amaresh

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steven Schweda — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:55:52 GMT

> I tried
> >>> BOOT -FLAGS E,0 dkc0
> after making a kit to disk dkc0. but the
> console hung.

What, exactly, is "the console"? If you have
a serial terminal connected to the wrong
port, then the system may be trying to talk
to a port where nothing is connected.

"making a kit" is not a useful description of
how you did what you did.

> [...] -FLAGS E,0

Why "E"?

> for >>> B dka500
> console gets hung (no proress on screen)
> The cd drive looks busy in intervals as if
> it's trying to read.

When the system is booted normally, can you
mount (and read) this CD-ROM?

>>>show boot*

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:45:58 GMT

> What, exactly, is "the console"? If you have
> a serial terminal connected to the wrong
> port, then the system may be trying to talk
> to a port where nothing is connected.

a terminal window connected to server which shows >>>

>"making a kit" is not a useful description of
> how you did what you did.

Please check the attachment.

> for >>> B dka500
> console gets hung (no proress on screen)
> The cd drive looks busy in intervals as if
> it's trying to read.

When the system is booted normally, can you
mount (and read) this CD-ROM?

Yes, I can read the cd.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Swain — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:35:13 GMT

I am getting following error in logs after rebooting.

%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image ORA_RDBMSV7
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA300:[ORACLE7.ROOT.RDBMS]ORACLEV7.EXE;25
-SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed

I checked h/message, but did not get it

What exactly I have to do?

Thanks,
Amaresh

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steven Schweda — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:43:18 GMT

> > What, exactly, is "the console"? [...]

> a terminal window connected to server [...]

What does "exactly" mean to you? Apparently
not what it means to me. What is "a terminal
window"? Where is it?

> [...] connected to server [...]

What does that mean? Connected how?
Connected to _what_ on the server? Is there
more than one serial port? Have you tried
the/an other one?

> >>>show boot*

Still wondering. While you're at it, try:

>>>show console

> -SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images
> must be installed
> [...]
> What exactly I have to do?

I don't know enough about Oracle on VMS to
say exactly what you need to do. I'd guess
that some of the start-up stuff (INSTALL) is
not being done, or is not being done in the
right order. (It's probably in some document
somewhere, however.) You might try starting
a new thread with "Oracle" in the Subject.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Andy Bustamante — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:32:09 GMT

>>>I am getting following error in logs after rebooting

It looks like your startup procedure needs to include the Oracle startup. Did you change anything prior to the boot, such as boot device?

Andy Bustamante

Re: VAX system booting problem

Daniel Fernandez Illan — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:51:35 GMT

>>>I am getting following error in logs after rebooting.

%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image ORA_RDBMSV7
-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA300:[ORACLE7.ROOT.RDBMS]ORACLEV7.EXE;25
-SYSTEM-F-PROTINSTALL, protected images must be installed

This error is associated to the INSTALL of Oracle Database server (version 7) image.

To install it, on your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM there are some lines similar to:

$define/system/exec M_RDBMS dka300: (define Oracle software disk)
$@M_RDBMS:[ORACLE7.UTIL]ORAUSER.COM (define Oracle symbols and logicals)
$INSORACLE (install Oracle images)

Are you mounted dka300 disk?
This disk have the [ORACLE7] directory?

Saludos.

Re: VAX system booting problem

Steve Reece_3 — Sun, 18 Oct 2009 07:18:20 GMT

Amaresh,

When the system starts, do you get messages on your "console" as the system does a power on self test? If you don't, then you aren't connected to the console of the AlphaServer and you won't get the menu off the CD.

If you do, then there may be something wrong with either the CD or the drive.

Others have commented on the Oracle issue.

Steve