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тАО08-27-2009 12:02 AM
тАО08-27-2009 12:02 AM
msl 2024 1760 and 1840
Hello,
I am going to purchase this library but I couldn't find any detailed documentation about the differences between ultrium 1760 and 1840. Beside the 1840 being faster , are there any more advantages? Is it a noticable speed improvement?
In addition, I've noticed that the 1840 version does not have a SAS version, only SCSI. so from an overall perception, which one will perform faster, the SAS 1760 or the SCSI 1840?
Thanks
I am going to purchase this library but I couldn't find any detailed documentation about the differences between ultrium 1760 and 1840. Beside the 1840 being faster , are there any more advantages? Is it a noticable speed improvement?
In addition, I've noticed that the 1840 version does not have a SAS version, only SCSI. so from an overall perception, which one will perform faster, the SAS 1760 or the SCSI 1840?
Thanks
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тАО08-27-2009 03:22 AM
тАО08-27-2009 03:22 AM
Re: msl 2024 1760 and 1840
The 1760 is half-height and the 1840 is full-height.
In many (today the most?) environments the tape drive is not the limiting factor. For example, this week I've told a customer to move the servers with the most data first in the list (to keep concurrency as long as possible) and to defragment the disks.
A pretty raw calculation gave a throughput of about 27.7 MegaBytes/sec for a full backup using two old LTO-2 drives before this simple 'optimization'.
This morning I got feedback that the (incremental) backup ran faster (I didn't get any numbers, though).
In many (today the most?) environments the tape drive is not the limiting factor. For example, this week I've told a customer to move the servers with the most data first in the list (to keep concurrency as long as possible) and to defragment the disks.
A pretty raw calculation gave a throughput of about 27.7 MegaBytes/sec for a full backup using two old LTO-2 drives before this simple 'optimization'.
This morning I got feedback that the (incremental) backup ran faster (I didn't get any numbers, though).
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тАО08-27-2009 04:36 AM
тАО08-27-2009 04:36 AM
Re: msl 2024 1760 and 1840
What exactly is the purpose of these half height/full-height configurations? Is there any advantage for choosing half-height. Does full-height always mean faster?
I got your point with the tape not being the bottleneck. It's an interesting thing to check though, I am going to connect mine to the most heavy-loaded server and the other severs will be backed-up through the network, I wander to what speed I would get. Theoretically I believe I should reach the tape speed.
I got your point with the tape not being the bottleneck. It's an interesting thing to check though, I am going to connect mine to the most heavy-loaded server and the other severs will be backed-up through the network, I wander to what speed I would get. Theoretically I believe I should reach the tape speed.
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тАО09-14-2009 05:02 PM
тАО09-14-2009 05:02 PM
Re: msl 2024 1760 and 1840
HP's half-hight drives are always a bit slower than the full-height drives, but in a given generation (LTO-4, for instance) all drives are the same native capacity. The Enterprise libraries require Fibre Channel drives, which are only available in full-height, so the half-height question is answered.
MSL libraries accept full-height or half-height drives. You might have a Fibre Channel SAN and want to use FC drives, so you'd get the full-height native Fibre Channel drives.
Or you might prefer SAS over parallel SCSI in the MSL, so you'd go with the half-height SAS drives.
In some cases, you'd have a choice -- for instance, pSCSI are offered both half- and full-height in the MSL. Standalone SAS drives are offered in both half- and full-height. Then how do you pick?
I'd pick first on the density requirement: do you need to deploy the devices in a server bay? Or in a 1U Rackmount enclosure? Or are you deploying a 3U Rackmount enclosure that needs to hold four drives? If so, you probably want the half-height drives.
On the other hand, if performance is your driver, get the somewhat faster full-height drives -- BUT BE CAREFUL to benchmark your servers, so you know that the servers can feed the full-height drives at the rate they'll need. It doesn't do you any good to buy an Ultrium 1840 drive (120MB/sec native) instead of an Ultrium 1760 drive (80MB/sec native) if your disks are only capable of feeding the tape drive at 50MB/second... and most people are surprised how often the disk, not the tape, is the bottleneck.
Worth noting: All HP LTO-4 tape drives support hardware encryption, regardless of form factor or interface. In the MSL libraries, the MSL Encryption Kit provides a great way to ensure that all your backup data is encrypted and secure from unauthorized eyes... but available to the business when you need to perform a restore.
Fun fact: If you ever get a chance to look at the bottom of the actual LTO half-height drive, you'll see cutouts where the motor winding show through.
MSL libraries accept full-height or half-height drives. You might have a Fibre Channel SAN and want to use FC drives, so you'd get the full-height native Fibre Channel drives.
Or you might prefer SAS over parallel SCSI in the MSL, so you'd go with the half-height SAS drives.
In some cases, you'd have a choice -- for instance, pSCSI are offered both half- and full-height in the MSL. Standalone SAS drives are offered in both half- and full-height. Then how do you pick?
I'd pick first on the density requirement: do you need to deploy the devices in a server bay? Or in a 1U Rackmount enclosure? Or are you deploying a 3U Rackmount enclosure that needs to hold four drives? If so, you probably want the half-height drives.
On the other hand, if performance is your driver, get the somewhat faster full-height drives -- BUT BE CAREFUL to benchmark your servers, so you know that the servers can feed the full-height drives at the rate they'll need. It doesn't do you any good to buy an Ultrium 1840 drive (120MB/sec native) instead of an Ultrium 1760 drive (80MB/sec native) if your disks are only capable of feeding the tape drive at 50MB/second... and most people are surprised how often the disk, not the tape, is the bottleneck.
Worth noting: All HP LTO-4 tape drives support hardware encryption, regardless of form factor or interface. In the MSL libraries, the MSL Encryption Kit provides a great way to ensure that all your backup data is encrypted and secure from unauthorized eyes... but available to the business when you need to perform a restore.
Fun fact: If you ever get a chance to look at the bottom of the actual LTO half-height drive, you'll see cutouts where the motor winding show through.
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