- Community Home
- >
- Storage
- >
- Entry Storage Systems
- >
- Disk Enclosures
- >
- Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA...
Categories
Company
Local Language
Forums
Discussions
Forums
- Data Protection and Retention
- Entry Storage Systems
- Legacy
- Midrange and Enterprise Storage
- Storage Networking
- HPE Nimble Storage
Discussions
Discussions
Discussions
Forums
Forums
Discussions
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
- BladeSystem Infrastructure and Application Solutions
- Appliance Servers
- Alpha Servers
- BackOffice Products
- Internet Products
- HPE 9000 and HPE e3000 Servers
- Networking
- Netservers
- Secure OS Software for Linux
- Server Management (Insight Manager 7)
- Windows Server 2003
- Operating System - Tru64 Unix
- ProLiant Deployment and Provisioning
- Linux-Based Community / Regional
- Microsoft System Center Integration
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Community
Resources
Forums
Blogs
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-11-2005 10:30 AM
тАО08-11-2005 10:30 AM
Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
EVA 5000 ( 2C6D ) 56 Disks
CV EVA 3.3
VCS 3025
I am curious to know about any way to find out the number of disk spindles or rather disks who
would underneath the Vdisk. Suppose I create a Vdisk with Vraid1 of size 50GB , how much disks would be involved under it?
EVA Best pratices says it's better to have few large vdisks than more small vdisks. I understand that this would improve performance of a Vdisk. One can judge the optimized size of a Vdisk if he knows how much spidles would be involved at the array side.
Points for everyone and full points for smart replies!!!!
Thanks in advance
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-11-2005 11:06 AM
тАО08-11-2005 11:06 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
You can reduce the number of disks in the vdisk by creating multiple disk groups, but you will get better performance and, ultimately, better redundancy, with more drives and less disk groups.
The main reasons for creating multiple disk groups would be the following:
1) You have FC drives and FATA drives. They cannot reside within the same disk group.
2) You have a database application that wants its logs on a separate set of spindles.
Hope this helps!
Susan
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-11-2005 02:43 PM
тАО08-11-2005 02:43 PM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
To add some more to this...
HP recommends that for BEST performance, only 1 or 2 disk groups be used or "as few as possible". Putting more disks into 1 or 2 Disk Groups increases the performance of those groups because of the additional spindles.
The most cost effective configuration is to have 1 Disk Group with Double Sparring or even Single Sparring if you don't required the extra redundncy. Any additional Disk Groups would incur their own sparring cost reducing your total usable storage.
The EVA's "sweet spot" is at about 56 Disks in a single group. This means that you get the most performance gain when you add up to 56 Disks. After the 56th disk, you still gain performance, but not as much as you did when you added the 56th disk. This does not mean you should NOT make your disk groups only 56 disks, just don't expect the same performance increase from 80 disks as compared to 56 disks.
Having a few large vdisks vs. many small vdisks doesn't make much difference. It really depends on your application requirements. Keep in mind that only one server at a time can utilize a single vdisk (unless of course you have a cluster or some other software that provides disk locking so that as one server is accessing/writing, others can only read.)
Always create disk groups that contain an amount of disks that is a multiple of 8 and always add disks in multiples of 8. This allows RSS to not have to work too much when expanding and adding disks. The nominal number for RSS is 8 disks, it strives to keep sets of 8 when possible.
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-11-2005 05:06 PM
тАО08-11-2005 05:06 PM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
This is the best reference.
Make small vdisks of the same size, say 10gig, and use lvmstriping.
If you are in shopping mode consider an XP or EMC DMX3000. More expensive, but they are more reliable and faster than the EVA5000. You have to take the whole frame down to do firmware, and it has no ups built in to the array, or active active controllers on the EVA5k.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-12-2005 02:23 AM
тАО08-12-2005 02:23 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
If I am not wrong ,one can pin-point number of disks associated with a DG based on RSS ID and Index. It should be that way as there is physical separation of disks across the DGs. I am trying to find out this association using CV.I don't know how the VCS selects the disk spindles for a DG.
But DG is again using subsets as RSS which in turn contain 6 to 11 disk spindles!!! . I have two DGs having 40 and 16 disks in each group. This imples me to have 5 & 2 RSSs having 8 spindles each for the respective DGs. Now when we create a Vdisk with Vraid1 , two mirrored block or stripe will always reside on different disks but within the same RSS . I know this mechanisam is for redundancy against disk failure. My point is , there is a always an association of Vdisks with the spindles below them ( RSS ) . I didn't find a way to pin-point this using CV.
Steven,
I am curious to know how did you know the "EVA Sweet Spot" as 56 disks ina DG. Is there any logical behind it ? pls let me know.
Jeff,
Your reply has triggered my exact concern when you say " Make small vdisks of the same size, say 10gig, and use lvmstriping" . The reason behind creating this thread is to know
if size of Vdisk really matters from performance point of view. One way is to think from EVA side and another at OS-LVM side. Now EVA is quite competant to do its job without bothering OS environment ( stripping at storage level ) , then having LVM stripping is not required ( OS Overhead!!! ) . Moreover there is limitation of physical volumes supported for BC environment.
I have heard that there is RSS layout which could be taken out of EVA using some utility . It gives you the enclosure:disk
and more info .
Hence if we know association of Vdisk and Spidles , it will make the picture clear.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-12-2005 03:23 AM
тАО08-12-2005 03:23 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
I will have to check some old archives for the doc that referred to it, if I even have it.
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-12-2005 03:49 AM
тАО08-12-2005 03:49 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
You cannot use the RSSid/RSSindex to calculate a disk drive's position. It is possible to move a disk's position, but that will not change the RSSid/RSSindex.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-12-2005 06:10 AM
тАО08-12-2005 06:10 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
Physical locations of drives:
I have used the following (INTEGER ARITHMETIC) formula to calculate drive locations, using the output of SSSU show disk full:
Bay = mod(Loop_ID,14)+1
Enclosure = 7*Loop_Pair - Loop_ID/14 + 1
[this would be implemented in DCL on VMS, for example, as:
$ bay=id_num-(id_num/14)*14+1
$ enc=7*pair_num-id_num/14+1
]
(If you have an expansion cabinet, it requires some modifications, but since you don't, this should work for you).
The disk location is also buried in the gui menus of CV/EVA, but that's useless for scripting unless you want to write a cheezy and complicated screen scraping program.
I suspect that how you split up your storage in terms of size/number of vdisks
doesn't matter very much, the critical point being: as long as you have enough vdisks to balance data transfer across all paths to the controllers. As others have mentioned, the data is striped over all disk in the group, regardless of the vdisk size.
For a relatively minimal outlay, you can fill your existing 2C6D config with 28 more drives, which will certainly improve performance.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-12-2005 09:21 AM
тАО08-12-2005 09:21 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
I'm not quite sure if there is that much of a benefit. I think the eva may undo what is intended. The eva spreads the vdisk across all the disks in the DG, Therefore sequencial blocks written to a single vdisk will go to differnet physical drives. If the host system breaks up the blocks and writes to say 4 different vdisks, the blocks for each vdisk may end up on the same physical disk.
There is also a drawback with LVM stripping in that you need to always expand an LVOL with the same number of PVs. Consider an Lvol striped over 6 PVs. You run out of room, and need to add more PVs and then extend the LVOL. you cannot add 2 more PV because the lvol needs to continue to be striped over 6 PVs, so you need to add PVs in groups of 6.
I prefer, extent based striping with maybe 2 vdisk per LVOL, that way I can balance across controllers, but I don't get burned with having to keep the number of disks in a stripe set the same.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-14-2005 03:36 AM
тАО08-14-2005 03:36 AM
Re: Vdisk Size and Disk Spindles underneath on EVA 5000
http://h200006.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/lpg29448/lpg29448.pdf
Among other stuff it states that the EVA5000 scales performance wise up to 168 drives no matter if you configure one or multiple Disk Groups.
Having one DG spreads all LUN/VDISK across all spindles thus allowing all LUN to reach max performance.
Cheers
Peter