- Community Home
- >
- Storage
- >
- Entry Storage Systems
- >
- Disk Enclosures
- >
- Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
Categories
Company
Local Language
Forums
Discussions
Forums
- Data Protection and Retention
- Entry Storage Systems
- Legacy
- Midrange and Enterprise Storage
- Storage Networking
- HPE Nimble Storage
Discussions
Discussions
Discussions
Forums
Forums
Discussions
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
- BladeSystem Infrastructure and Application Solutions
- Appliance Servers
- Alpha Servers
- BackOffice Products
- Internet Products
- HPE 9000 and HPE e3000 Servers
- Networking
- Netservers
- Secure OS Software for Linux
- Server Management (Insight Manager 7)
- Windows Server 2003
- Operating System - Tru64 Unix
- ProLiant Deployment and Provisioning
- Linux-Based Community / Regional
- Microsoft System Center Integration
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Discussion Boards
Community
Resources
Forums
Blogs
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Mark Topic as New
- Mark Topic as Read
- Float this Topic for Current User
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Printer Friendly Page
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-07-2004 02:15 PM
тАО08-07-2004 02:15 PM
EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
I have just upgraded a customer's EVA 5k (added 4 disk enclosures). This customer had 8 existing enclosures full with 72GB disks.
The new closures will have 4 x 146GB disks each.
The customer was told by HP that the disks needed to be added one at a time after the enclosure had been installed.
I knew that when you are adding disks to an existing enclosure you add them one at a time and wait around 60 seconds before installing the next disk to avoid to many FC_AL loop signal changes.
All the previous upgrades I have done I have added the disks to the enclosures before applying power to the enclosure and before connecting the FC cables to the switches. Every document I have read doesn't tell me to do any different.
Any feedback on this would be appreciated. I am not saying the HP engineer is wrong, but I am just looking for clarification on this so I can better explain it to our customer.
Thanks.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-07-2004 02:20 PM
тАО08-07-2004 02:20 PM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
Thanks
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-07-2004 02:52 PM
тАО08-07-2004 02:52 PM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
That said, I believe you can add shelves on the fly, but you do need to consider the impact of adding an addition device to a fibre LOOP.
Whether it is a shelf of a disk, you should add only one at a time, wait about a minue then add the next device and so on and so forth, mainly as a precausion. If you add 10 devices at once, and only one of them causes a problem, you can have a major disruption. This is not to say you CAN'T have a major disruption when only adding one device.
General HP Best Practice dictates that you add new devices one at a time. This Best Practice doc is not generally available to the public either. Usually only Certified HP Trained indivuduals will have access to it (nd even then it is sometimes hard to obtain).
Long story short.. the HP engineer is correct, according to HP.
Can you add a whole shelf without any problems? Sure, you've done it before. Is it the bet thing to do? Probably not.
As for mixed capacity drives, sure you can add to an existing group. The impact is this...
1. Your protection level is NOW SINGLE or DOUBLE based on the HIGHER disk size. If you at double... you lose 146GB*4.
2. Your leveling will t ake a bit longer and your larger drives will have about double the amount of data on them vs. the 72GB drives.
Additionally, I would disable the auto add, get all the disks inplace and then add them all at the same time. The EVA will have an easier time figuring out the RSS if you supply it additional drives in multiples of 8.
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 02:07 AM
тАО08-08-2004 02:07 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
I have re-read the best practices doc and this is what it says:
"When adding disks to expand storage system:
.....
* If you are planning on needing to add diks often, try to add disks all at one time. This increases the RSS efficiency."
Further down on a separate section it says:
"Use off peak time to physically add devices to the storage system:
...
* Wait at least 60 seconds between each drive insertion. This allows VCS recognition and reduces FC-AL loop signal changes."
Just to be sure I even consulted the latest pdf on adding enclosures to an EV5000 configuration. It says to do what I have always done, in step 10.
"
...
10. Insert and seat all drives into the drive enclosure."
This is done before even connecting the enclosure to the EAB or loop switches.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 03:02 AM
тАО08-08-2004 03:02 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
Assuming you were adding a new shelf, you can add the shelf with drives in it and have no problems with Loop singal since the drives and the shelf are all powered up and the drives are already spinning. The 60 seconds is... time to power and spin up as well as time to add itself to the loop and for CV to see it.
If you already have the shelf installed, then yes, you should add disks one at a time to allow for Loop signal, power, spinup, etc.
When I perform upgrades, I like to get the shelves in first, to make sure there are no problems with the ID, or with the loop or with the EMU. Once I confirm the shelf is "ok", I then proceed with the drives. It is, for me, more of a precautionary measure then a best practice.
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 03:06 AM
тАО08-08-2004 03:06 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
I would not add lots of disk drives to a power-off EVA. If these drives somehow have data from another configuration on it there is a chance greater zero that the system does not start.
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 04:14 AM
тАО08-08-2004 04:14 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 04:30 AM
тАО08-08-2004 04:30 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 06:40 AM
тАО08-08-2004 06:40 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
Adding M5314 Drive Enclosures to an EVA5000 Configuration
Instructions
Third Edition (May 2004)
Part Number: EK-DEIRE-AA. C01
""This guide tells you how to add an M53141 drive enclosure to an existing EVA5000 rack with FC loop switches, while the EVA5000 is running and in production. You can add M5314 drive enclosures to EVA3000 and EVA5000 racks without FC loop switches while the storage system is shut down.""
- Mark as New
- Bookmark
- Subscribe
- Mute
- Subscribe to RSS Feed
- Permalink
- Report Inappropriate Content
тАО08-08-2004 07:27 AM
тАО08-08-2004 07:27 AM
Re: EVA 5000 adding mix capacity drives
As long as you do not disrupt BOTH loops on a set, you should be able to hot add a shelf by first disconnecting loop A and putting the new shelf inline. Wait a few minutes to make sure the EVA "see's" it, then perform the same on Loop B.
Again, I have never done it on the EVA and I always suggest downtime for such things.
Steven
HP Master ASE, Storage, Servers, and Clustering
MCSE (NT 4.0, W2K, W2K3)
VCP (ESX2, Vi3, vSphere4, vSphere5, vSphere 6.x)
RHCE
NPP3 (Nutanix Platform Professional)