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тАО10-25-2010 08:33 AM
тАО10-25-2010 08:33 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
Since I can no longer access the patches, I can't see if the patch copyright notices have been changed to restrict the application of patches to support contract customers. The copyrights on the patches I have say "Valid license from HP and/or its subsidiaries required for possession, use, or copying."
IANAL but I would think having a valid OpenVMS license should satisfy the legal question about whether one is or is not entitled to patch a buggy system so that it works as advertised.
I still see no official statement from HP that actually details this policy change or states that security patches will continue to be publicly available. And, as Graham Burley has pointed out, security patches are often dependent upon other patches.
Looking at the apparent depth of planning that went into this new policy, and how thoughtfully it has been executed, I wonder if HP might have put their SAPS conversion team in charge of this conversion, too. :)
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тАО10-25-2010 09:35 AM
тАО10-25-2010 09:35 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
They haven't.
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тАО10-25-2010 11:32 AM
тАО10-25-2010 11:32 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
HP software comes with a 90 day warranty. I know many people equate the license language in the patch to having a license PAK, but I've never read it that way.
It is possible that you might be entitled to fixes based on an implied warranty that would supercede the express warranty. These warranty laws differ greatly in various jurisdictions. For example, my state in the US only allows an implied warranty on consumer goods.
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тАО10-26-2010 11:15 AM
тАО10-26-2010 11:15 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
This is *full* support, beyond just patches.
>> I know many people equate the license language in the patch to having a license PAK, but I've never read it that way.
<<
Since patches are not individually licensed, it would be reasonable to believe the wording says that the product being patched must be licensed since the patch becomes a part of that product.
>> It is possible that you might be entitled to fixes based on an implied warranty that would supercede the express warranty. These warranty laws differ greatly in various jurisdictions. For example, my state in the US only allows an implied warranty on consumer goods.
<<
It would be more possible that one would be entitled to patches based on the policy in effect at the time the software (license) was purchased. Since the official legalize regarding updates that I've found talks about dash versus dot updates, and doesn't address bug fixes, precedent should rule.
The dearth of detailed policy statements and HP's apparent lack of planning prior to making this change is underwhelming.
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тАО11-02-2010 04:34 AM
тАО11-02-2010 04:34 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
Purely Personal Opinion
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тАО11-02-2010 06:36 AM
тАО11-02-2010 06:36 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=10/06/02/1513268
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тАО11-02-2010 09:00 AM
тАО11-02-2010 09:00 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
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More about the new patch restriction policy? Seems a bit strange.
Here's an interesting exercise:
go here:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/index.html
Look down the left frame under "OpenVMS Software," find "Software Licensing" and click that link. Isn't that informative?
Now, pick a recent OpenVMS SPD and find the link for licensing information. Look familiar?
I haven't tried the SPD's other suggestion to "contact your local HP sales office" for licensing information but based upon my past experience with doing that I'll pass for now.
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тАО11-04-2010 03:30 AM
тАО11-04-2010 03:30 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
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тАО11-04-2010 03:51 AM
тАО11-04-2010 03:51 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
I've had such "feedback" forms send my
complaints into the Memory Hole in recent
times. Have they (all) been fixed?
> [...] the HP opensource porting systems
Great. And if I didn't need a big pile of
assorted infrastructure to get anything done,
then it might be more practical to walk up to
some virgin system somewhere and try to "port
and test Open Source applications". The
reason I bought IA64 systems was not that the
old TestDrive systems satisfied my every need
(until they disappeared).
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тАО11-04-2010 06:57 AM
тАО11-04-2010 06:57 AM
Re: Change to Patch services effective September 18, 2010
If you have and they do not meet your requirements then perhaps something could be done about that.
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