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Stf
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HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Hi,

I want to set HP9000 terminal window in block mode to make it work with HP3000 application.

Is there any env to set or something in /etc/profile?

Regards

Stf
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Jose Mosquera
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Stf
Esteemed Contributor

Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

OK I have already look at this but how does it work ?

Do i have to type "blmode" when I start a new terminal window or can i execute it in profile?

regards

Stf
Jose Mosquera
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Waooo, is not easy to view, I'm reading more about... ...meanwhile please check this one:
http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-90128/vt3k.1.html

Rgds.
Stf
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Yes I already look at this solution but it don't solve my problem.

Regards

Stf
rick jones
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

It might be a terribly simplistic question to ask, but the "HP9000 terminal window" of which you write - is it an hpterm? If not, then I think HP 3000 style block mode is not likely.

Another possible route might be Reflections and its terminal emulation connecting directly to the HP3000 from the PC on which Reflections is running.
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donna hofmeister
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

rick is (of course) correct.

to run a block-mode application on a 3000 you want to make a direct connection to the 3000 using an intelligent emulator like reflection, minisoft or qcterm.

you can telnet to a 3000 and do almost anything (run commands or character-based programs) but once you want to do sophisticated screen-handling, then you need something smart enough to know what to do.
Bill Hassell
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

And to add to Donna's post, block mode is always off by default for HP-type terminals. MPE (hp3000) programs will turn on block automatically. However, there are no HP-UX block mode programs (anymore). So if you're looking for a block mode editor where you just type what you want and press Enter to transmit the screen -- sorry. You'll need to read the book: The Ultimate Guide to vi.

Real HP terminals (the 700/9x series, 2392a, 262x series) are hard to find and even harder to hook up (serial cables). The only true HP terminal emulators are WRQ's (now Attachmate) Reflection for HP (NOT Reflection/X), and QCterm (which is free. hpterm is a cheap imitation and requires a large amount of network bandwidth to display what is simple text.

Are you writing a program to take advantage of Forms Mode and Block Mode? How do you want to use block mode?


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
Bill Hassell
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

After re-reading your question, it is not clear what you are doing. It sounds like you are logging into an HP9000 then running an application on the HP3000, correct? Why can't you login directly to the HP3000? Are you running Xwindows on your PC, then starting hpterm or xterm or dtterm on the HP9000 and then telnet to the HP3000? As I mentioned, Xwindows emulators, specifically hpterm are deficient in many areas including block mode and DC1/DC2 handshaking.

You can simplify all of this by purchasing a copy of "Reflection for HP" from Attachmate for your PC, or download the free program QCTerm ( http://www.aics-research.com/qcterm/ ) which can connect directly to the HP3000 and run your block/forms mode applications.


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
Dennis Handly
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Decades ago we used vt3k to talk to the HP3000.
Stf
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Hello,

To calrify what I need :

In fact I don't have anymore a HP3000 server, my HP3000 application were migrated on a HP9000 server, that's why I need to turn on block mode on a HP9000 window terminal.

Rgds

Stf
Jose Mosquera
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Hi,

You need a MS-Windows (R) emulator's software that support block-mode terminal configuration for your native HP3000's application recently migrated to a HP9000 environment. This allow that MS-Windows (R) users can work from PCs against your aplication running in HP9000. If this is your scenario please attend to the comments Rick, Donna and Bill.

Please excuse me the emphasis that I have done in the word "windows", I think it may be open to misinterpretation. :)

Rgds.
Bill Hassell
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Downlod QCTerm from http://www.aics-research.com/qcterm/


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Stan Sieler
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Re: HP9000 window terminal in block mode

Hi Stf,

So...a couple of things...

1. What is trying to use block mode?

This really boils down to *how* was your application migrated from the 3000?

The reason I ask is that most 3000 applications that used blockmode did it via the VIEW library, which was never moved by HP to the 9000 :(

Thus, users who did in-house migration are extremely unlikely to have left their applications still using VIEW.

Some vendors have VIEW-compatible HP-UX subsystems that they sell ... are you using one of these?

2. Wait ... aren't there any other users at your site?

How did *they* solve this problem? I.e., if you didn't do the migration yourself, *somebody* did, and they know the answer to your question :)

3. Environment

There are a number of ways you could end up using block mode on HP-UX:

- login to your HP-UX system via an X-Windows method
(e.g., CDE, or something similar)

Then, use HP's "hpterm" instead of "xtem" or "dterm".
"hpterm" is the world's *worst* HP emulator ... no, I take that back, it's the world's second-worst HP terminal emulator (the one that runs in a web page is the worst :)
but....it does support block mode (I used to use it
every day via a 9000 workstation ... I used it with vt3k to connect to an HP 3000.

Note: I'm not sure if HP still ships hpterm with HP-UX.
On our system it's found in /usr/contrib/bin/X11/hpterm

- login via telnet, using a third-party HP terminal emulator

-- QCTerm is free, and works very well. It runs on Windows and uses either telner or a serial connection.

-- Attachmate (formerly Walker, Richer and Quinn)'s Reflection for HP 3000 is a commercial product that works extremely well. I use it everyday, including some block mode use.

Hope that helps,
Stan