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Help me, I am a beginer

Occasional Contributor

Help me, I am a beginer

Hi all
I am a new staff of my company, so our company need to deploy ERP. So I have to do that, my role in this project is system and application administrator. But I have just graduated University, so don;thave experience. I need your help.
I really need your help.
Next week, I am going to install Oracle Application 11.5.8 on HP-UX11i.
I read some document about install and configuring. But I have a trouble about the patches of Oracle and HP-UX11i.
So who has experience about install. Please give me advices and some step to overcome troubles.
And I don;t know how to update the patches

Thanks for you reading this measages.

Linh Phung
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Hi Maco

You will be having support plus CD, which contains patch bundle.
For 11i, it will be GOLDQPK11i i n the CD.
Insert the CD into CD drive
#mount /dev/dsk/cxtxdx /cdrom
(/cdrom is the mount point, cxtxdx is the device file for CD drive)
#swinstall -s /cdrom/GOLDQPK11i

This will install patches .

for installing oracle application procedure look into
never give up
Chris Vail
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

First of all: welcome to the community of Sysadmins and DBA's. These are full-time careers, and you won't be able to learn it all at once. It will take you many years before you can call yourself an expert in either discipline. Without question, you will make mistakes. When you do, learn from them.

Next, get some books. O'Reilly press has probably the best selection of books, but don't limit yourself. The best bet is to find another Sysadmin or DBA who can mentor you. You might be able to locate a Users Group, or club where you can find someone to teach.

There is much to learn. I installed my first Unix system 20 years ago, and I learn something new about my trade every day. Nobody, nowhere knows everything there is to know about Unix or Oracle, so all you can do is learn as much as you can, as fast as you can.

Next: take some classes. These can be from HP Education, or any number of other organization. These are not cheap, but usually worth the money and time. In a week or so, you can pick up enough learning to get you through your first year.

Then there are two things: FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, and GET HELP. If the instructions call for patch number PHKL_2543, make sure that you have that patch or whatever patch(es) replace it. Secondly, you need to have some sort of support contract with HP and Oracle. Without these, you have nothing to fall back on, and will be left to your own wits to solve problems. With them, you can be 'talked through' any issues, and sooner or later make everything work as planned.

Learn to be very concise. When you are on the phone to the help desk, call out every letter as you type, or at least every command BEFORE you press . You'll make spelling and syntax mistakes, this is normal. Calling out the words and letters as you type will reduce these.

You can get patches from this website: You'll need to spend some time finding out exactly which patches. If your instructions are written, then they're old and probably refer to out-of-date patches. These will undoubtedly have been superseded by now. So install the replacement patches, but DOCUMENT these replacements.

Lastly: give yourself time. You won't get it right the first time, every time. But consider that "close is good enough", until your skills really go up. And don't be afraid to ask questions in this forum or elsewhere.

Good Luck
Occasional Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Thank you Ravi, Christ
I will learn more and more and do by your instructions.

Linh Phung
Occasional Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Thank you Ravi, Christ
I will learn more and more and do by your instructions.

Linh Phung
malay boy
Trusted Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Hi Maco,
I recalled my first time applying Oracle Apps patch for Y2K.Eventhough in air-condition room but I'm sweating like hell....
But as time goes by,I become more comfortable with the job.
One thing that you need to always remember ,backup is very important.It's a life saviour.I'll make a lot of mistake but backup tape save me alot.

Good luck.
There are three person in my team-Me ,myself and I.
Steven E. Protter
Exalted Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

You could not have picked a harder thing to try as your first sysadmin project.

I work with Oracle's Application Server, forms, reports and apache, which uses a lot of the same core technology as the 11.5.8 server.

Its a really tough nut.

For sure, every patch mentioned above. Pay particular attention to gettiing compiler patches, all the required java patches and last certified version at before you start the installation.

Go through that install manual line by line. If something doesn't work, stop, contact oracle support. Blowing off steps almost always comes back to bite you. HARD.

If you don't like Oracle's support answers, escalate, call a duty manager and ask for an expert. Plus post here, there are others that have been through your pain.

* Rubs my sore you know what.

Good luck

If you are new, give these other nice people some points please. Thats how it works here. Sometimes.

Steven E Protter
Owner of ISN Corporation
Balaji N
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Hi Linh,
Welcome to the world of system / database administration.

First get out some book on Sysadmining. If you want to learn HP Unix in specific, check out the book on HP unix Certification by Rafeeq Ur Rehman. It will help u get certified at a later date as well.

Be around on the forums and keep reading. It will help u get more knowledge.

And when you have a doubt feel free to ask the gurus out here. There will be someone to help you out.

Good luck.


and dont forget to assign points to all those who spend their valuable time answering ur queries.
Its Always Important To Know, What People Think Of You. Then, Of Course, You Surprise Them By Giving More.
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

hi Linh Phung,

Mr. Protter, Balaji, Chris Vail have said all that need to be said.

Just to add.

System Administration also includes:

- Self-discipline
- Patience and commitment
- Procedures (e.g. Business continuity planning)
- documentation
- Forums ;)

No person was ever honoured for what he received. Honour has been the reward for what he gave (clavin coolidge)

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Linh Phung

In addition to everyone very good pointers, you will need to become familiar with Oracle's metalink support site. I would highly recommend that you signup. All you will need is a valid CSI number. When we install 11.5.5, we found a note the listed all the HP-UX patches that oracle required.

Good luck
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Hi maco,

For HPUX 11i,
Insert the CD into CD drive
#mount /dev/dsk/cxtxdx /SD_CDROM
#swinstall -s /SD_CDROM/GOLDQPK11i

For Oracle Appl,
Use adpatch, it is a utility for patching Oracle application.
1. unzip the patch
2. run adpatch to apply the patch

hope this is helpful.
Bill Hassell
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

As mentioned, this is a VERY difficult task for senior system administrators, so I would strongly suggest getting help in this task. If it is like any other project, it is already behind schedule and the managers think that this is just a plug-and-play task that anyone can perform. While Unix has been around for more than 30 years, system administration and patching are never standardized and companies like Oracle almost never keep their documents up to date. They are full of requirements that refer to obsolete and superceeded patches and in many cases, wrong or missing recommendations for setting kernel parameters.

to be successful, you would need to take about 2-3 weeks of HP-UX classes and then about a month in Oracle classes before even starting this project. Or find a good consultant (perhaps 2, one for HP-UX and one ofr Oracle) and have them set things up and train you during that period.

Bill Hassell, sysadmin
John Bolene
Honored Contributor

Re: Help me, I am a beginer

Just getting the vi keyboard entries down was a struggle for me.

UNIX is so very non-intuitive, very little is standard, always having to refer to the man pages (if you know where to look even in the man pages to find anything), and then Oracle on top of that.

First build the man -k database by doing a catman (this will take awhile).

Then you can at least search the man pages.

You will need to take some basic UNIX and Oracle classes.

Otherwise, you are in for a big frustrating adventure game.

You will either love or hate UNIX, and it takes a few years to start to love it.
It is always a good day when you are launching rockets!, Mostly Missiles