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bgawert
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HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

I have two V-Class Servers, one V2500 and one V2600. For installing HP-UX on these machines can I use one of the two media sets I have?

- HP-UX 11i December 2001 (B3920-60274)

- HP-UX 11.0 March 2002 (B3782-68290)

Benjamin
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Bill Hassell
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Always use the latest version. Once installed, you'll need your SupportPlus CDROM to add all the patches. If you do not have any software support you can download the SupportPlus bundles from ITRC: http://software.hp.com/SUPPORT_PLUS/


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
bgawert
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

So at least the V-Classes don't require any special CD Media sets.

Thanks.

Benjamin
Bill Hassell
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Well, like all HP servers and workstations (many dozens now), the V-class has minimum versions of HP-UX that will work. For instance, the V-2600 requires a mre recent version of HP-UX than the V-2500 because there are a lot of hardware differences inside the box. Same with K-series, N/L/A class and the L-series. In the case of rp-class boxes, 32bit versions of HP-UX will not load at all and many of the newer boxes cannot load 11.00 at all (require 11.11). The V-2600 (in my cloudy memory) came out in 2001..maybe. So the 2002 media should be OK. The box should have come with the correct media (well, it was originally shipped from HP with the correct media).


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
doug hosking
Esteemed Contributor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

There was a *very* limited release version of HP-UX called 11.10 that was specifically created to enable these systems. To the best of my knowledge, no 11.00 version ever worked on them.
Tim Sanko
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Ben,

First get the test stations working.

As a V-2600 Admin, with 2 other V class systems, I can tell you that the 64 bit OS from 2002 will work. The UPS has the root drives in it.(In all probability it has its own powerthruster UPS. The root drives are probably the 18 or 36 GB drives.)

The real key is that you load the TEST STATION and get it connected and working first.

One further hint if you put the test station on ethernet with IP, don't use DNS for resolution first.

The test station and the connections therein are the key when setting up a V.

I think they are superior to N's and RP's until the 32 way RP came out...


Tim
Tim Sanko
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Bill is dead on on the availability of the 2600, We got ours Aug 29,2001.

Kudo's on the memory Bill!!!

Tim
bgawert
Frequent Advisor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Thanks for all the answers!

I have the B180L Test Station with the media (HP-UX 10.20 and the Test Station Manager Software Ver. 5.), so installing the SPP workstation should be no problem. Thanks for the tip with avoiding DNS but I don't plan on putting the machines on a LAN, so DNS should be a non-issue.

As to the disk drives, the two V's I have don't have any disks, and they also miss the drive cages. Otherwise they are complete. I didn't get any UPS with the machines. I assume the UPS should be separate or is it integrated in the V-Class?

I only want to do some tests on the machines as I plan to sell at least one of them both (preferrably the V2600). Anyone knows what a system like this (32x PA-8600 552MHz, 8GB RAM, CDROM, DDS3) should be worth?

Benjamin
Jeff Schussele
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Hi Benjamin,

You're not "missing" any drives in the V-class systems - they don't have *any* provivions for internal drives at all. You have to get an external enclosure (like an SC/FC-10 or such) to serve as "internal" drives. Whomever sold these to you should have made that crystal-clear. You're not going to be able to use it until you attach some type of SCSI/fibre storage.
If you're tight on $, you could even use an old Jamaica enclosure, which you should be able to find dirt-cheap on the Reman or ebay market.

Rgds,
Jeff
PERSEVERANCE -- Remember, whatever does not kill you only makes you stronger!
bgawert
Frequent Advisor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Hi Jeff,

Are You sure with the internal storage? Both V-Classes have some internal 68pin cables on the left side (bottom) and on the right side (upper area) where a disk tray was installed before. These interna cables go to some connectors that are connected to FWD-SCSI COntrollers via a flexible cable.

And I downloaded a Manual "Disk Tray Installation and Service Guide for V-Class" which shows how to install disks in the internal disk trays in the V-Class.

Nevertheless, I have an old StorageWorks 500 cabinet with 40x4GB disk standing around that should be suitable for testing the V-Class.

Benjamin
Jeff Schussele
Honored Contributor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Well, I've had quite a few 2500s & 2600s over that last several years & never encountered one with internal hard disk drives - I guess it's possible though - they are big ole beasts after all. I've just never seen one & when HP comes out to install them, *they* act like it's not even an option.
One of those cables goes to the internal tape drive - I do know that. And don't even get me started on that tape drive. Having to down a production system to swap a tape drive borders on lunacy IMHO.

Rgds,
Jeff
PERSEVERANCE -- Remember, whatever does not kill you only makes you stronger!
Iain Ashley
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

There are two flavours of V-class - technical, for short run, build and rebuild operations like mathematical modeling etc. This was the only version that included the disk tray (never seen one though). The enterprise database version worked on the premise that the tray would not provide sufficient space for such an environment. go figure ;)

Regards
Iain
bgawert
Frequent Advisor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

So it looks like I have the versions for the technical market. But since the trays are missing I think it doesn't matter too much, and I'm sure HP will charge me an arm and a leg for them if I order them as spare parts, so I think I'll stay with the external drive solution.

There's another question that raised: I know You need the SPP Controller workstation to controll the V-Class, to update firmware etc. But if I'd connect a dumb terminal (I.e. my HP C1099A) to the V-Class' serial port I'd get the same behavior like i.e. from an old E-Class. I can see the firmware messages which are quite similar to the ones other HP9000 servers show, I can initiate a device search, and can choose a device to boot. All like with most other HP9000 servers. So can't I just connect a dumb terminal and install HP-UX on a V-Class, and wouldn't it run just like on any other HP9000 server? I know there are some things the SPP workstation is required for, but wouldn't it also be possible to have a V-Class running HP-UX without connecting a SPP workstation?

Benjamin
Jeff Schussele
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Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Good question.
I've never run any of the dozens I've worked on w/o an SPP. But you ought to be able to pick up a B180 or 712 w/10.2 dirt cheap on ebay or such. Then I think you can get the SPP SW free from HP as well.
Frankly the SPP is required for much more than "special" tasks and I seriously doubt whether HP would even support the V w/o it.

Rgds,
Jeff
PERSEVERANCE -- Remember, whatever does not kill you only makes you stronger!
bgawert
Frequent Advisor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Well, I got one SPP (B180L) with the two machines. But I want to sell the V2600 with the SPP I have, and use the V2500 just for participating at SETI@Home to push my Workunit number a little bit ;-)

What exactly does the SPP on the V-Classes? I know it's necessary for flashing firmware or watch hardware status, but what else does the SPP software?

Benjamin
Bill Hassell
Honored Contributor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

If there's nothing wrong with the machine, you can certainly hook a plain old serial terminal to the port and run it forever. The Xwindows workstation is used to display the console port in one window and the special diagnostic port (LAN-based) messages in another window. So if it ain't broke, keep the dumb terminal. I believe that the SPP software has a daemon that understands the diag firmware codes and translates them to text on the screen.


Bill Hassell, sysadmin
bgawert
Frequent Advisor

Re: HP-UX 11.x and V-Class

Ok, so the SPP software is mainly (but not exclusively) for diag purposes. At least I can sell the SPP B180L with the V2600.

Thank You very much to all for the help!

Benjamin