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тАО10-30-2006 04:05 AM
тАО10-30-2006 04:05 AM
It would help me greatly if any of you have replaced aging K570 hardware. I want to know what options did you all look at to replace K570/EMC hardware and what did you narrow it down to & why?
Thanks!
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тАО10-30-2006 02:55 PM
тАО10-30-2006 02:55 PM
SolutionTips I've had todate include:
1) your decision will be largely driven by your applications (application compatibility is important); AND cost.
2) Never under-estimate your in-house expertise (ie if you only have hp-ux in your shop, then hp-ux should be important)
3) PA-RISC is on the way out.
4) Takeup of itanium has not been stellar.
5) Majority of Oracle installations are now in Windows environment (source: Oracle Corp).
Bearing these (and other) factors in mind, our own replacement path appears to be:
* XENON duo core processors (with EMT)
* Windows server 2003 64-bit (a common denominator with all our applications - and we have in-house expertise in this area)
* Because of the cost of going to processor based licensing on multicore processors, and the inroads SQLServer has already made, we are planning a database consolidation - to SQL Server 2005 (express and Std ed). (Yes, chucking Oracle out - too expensive. So much for our investment in Oracle licensing. But it is the trend, and sqlserver 2005 is considered an 'enterprise' class RDBMS)
* AND Dell Servers are very keen to get a foot hold in the door.
Bottom line is, in our experience, the need to replace servers is an opportunity for a quantum change.
Regardless of your choice, expect significant gains in performance - preliminary indications here are up to a 10 fold improvement in performance when running on a new database on a current generation processor.
Hope this causes some debat! :-)
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тАО10-30-2006 10:23 PM
тАО10-30-2006 10:23 PM
Re: Replacing K570s
However, as K570 is an old server, you may applied lots of patches, upgrade from 10.20 ... in this case you may want to
2. Build new server from HPUX CD to have a clean environment. But you have to be carefull about all those configurations for the OS and/or for your applications running on the old server. As it is an old server, nobody can tell exactly which files are modified with which value and what softwares have been installed, how those softwares were configured... You will need some time to figure them out before the cut-over.
You will need to map device files and import VGs of course.
3. In both case mentioned above, you can always use a temp IP on the new server or better isolate it from your network (use LAN console to access it).
4. You may need some spare (EMC) disks, so you can restore the data from K570 to the new server.Test everything, before the cutover. Involve all your application users in the test phase (so that if there will be something wrong during the cutover, you will not be blamed :-)).
5. Have a good full backup before cutover. If you use EMC BCV, establish, synchronize BCV when all applications stopped on K570. split BCV before you shutdown K570. Split R2 from R1 if you use SRDF. In case your vgimport failed (normally it will not happen, but who knows?) you have backups, BCV and R2 you can easily restore the data when needed.
6. You can also re-structure your filesystem on the new server, if business allow you to spend time to restore data from backup during the cutover.
Yang
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тАО10-31-2006 12:47 AM
тАО10-31-2006 12:47 AM
Re: Replacing K570s
9000/K570 w/ 6 x 180MHz CPU's = Transactions per minute (estimate) 21,350
4GB Memory
1 x 4GB Boot Drive
9000/N4000 w/ 8 x 550MHz CPU's = Transactions per minute (estimate) 60,000
4GB Memory
1 x 4GB Boot Drive
$4,000.00
Thanks
Jesse Dougherty
Cypress Technology, Inc
Re-Sellers of HP 3000/9000 products
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тАО10-31-2006 12:51 AM
тАО10-31-2006 12:51 AM
Re: Replacing K570s
I agree, PA-RISC processors are on their way out. After looking at the market, we are looking at replacing them with the HP Integrity rx4640 boxes (Itanium 2) processors. We have invested heavily in Oracle and Oracle Licensing is not an issue for us. As we have in-house hp-ux experience, we are leaning to an Integrity solution running Linux or HP-UX. We are looking at HP Storage Arrays on the market and MSA 1000 looks as if it will do the job and be a cost-effective solution.
I wanted to hear from my peers in the HP world about their choices etc. Thanks for your input!
I am hoping some more will join in on the debate.
Geetha.
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тАО10-31-2006 04:01 AM
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Re: Replacing K570s
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тАО10-31-2006 09:31 AM
тАО10-31-2006 09:31 AM
Re: Replacing K570s
Yes, we considered the linux / hp-ux question to. We wanted 64-bit architecture, and corresponding 64-bit OS. HP-UX and Linux 64 both comply (as does Windows 64). But one of our corporate applications (GIS) is not supported on itanium, and does not run on Linux 64. Shuffle that around, and for us, out pops Windows-64 (again).
All the best!
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тАО11-01-2006 12:52 AM
тАО11-01-2006 12:52 AM
Re: Replacing K570s
Geetha.
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тАО11-01-2006 12:52 AM
тАО11-01-2006 12:52 AM
Re: Replacing K570s
Geetha.