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тАО06-07-2006 11:28 PM
тАО06-07-2006 11:28 PM
Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
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тАО06-08-2006 03:07 AM
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Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
If you have an issue, I'd be happy to try and help.
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тАО06-08-2006 07:12 AM
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тАО06-14-2006 04:20 AM
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Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
Next are some links regarding Itanium-integrity success stories.
http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/280683-0-0-0-121.html
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тАО06-21-2006 05:29 AM
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тАО06-22-2006 08:09 AM
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тАО06-22-2006 08:22 PM
тАО06-22-2006 08:22 PM
Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
The Internet tech community still gets so hung up on raw performance figures because its easy to measure compared to other meausrements of value - its like owning a car - 'my sports car has a top speed of 150mph, your people carrier is just 110mph' - so what? You can only get 2 people in yours, I can get 6 in mine, or I can convert the back seats to flat so I can transport goods as well (flexibility drives value!). Luckily the chattering masses on the various web sites ( like theregister or zdnet etc.), don't actually get to make IT decisions in general - they just spend all their time talking about it... Most intelligent CIOs can make a business decision based on more than anm acquisition costs and some speeds & feeds, and as such I'm sure that HP Integrity servers will have a bright future.
HTH
Duncan
(who actually does drive a 2 seater roadster , not a people carrier!)
I am an HPE Employee
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тАО07-18-2006 02:21 PM
тАО07-18-2006 02:21 PM
Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
I still like to hear more opinions as we have not make a decision yet.
Matthew From Boston
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тАО07-29-2006 01:19 AM
тАО07-29-2006 01:19 AM
SolutionI have been following the IA-64/Itanium issue for many years (I even remember being rebuffed by a representitive when I asked for details about the instruction set: the response was that it was the greatest thing since [canned beer, sliced bread] but tha the instruction set was confidential).
Things have come a long way since then. The situation with the IA-64 has followed a curve that we have all seen before, from any number of CPU architecture vendors.
When a new architecture is announced, and first shipped, the cup in the raw speed/capacity/capability race remains with the older architecture, it has the advantage of implementation experience.
In my own personal experience, I saw this during Digital's sequential release of the PDP-11/VAX, and VAX/ALPHA. When then Compaq announced the decision to adopt IA-64 as its next architecture, I did a quick re-review of IA-64 (the details had in the interim been released), and published an item on the www that I expected the migration of OpenVMS to be a significant effort, but not a major problem. This article was in response to a number of messages that had appeared in comp.os.vms. My concern was not technical issues, it was business issues. This article is still available at http://www.rlgsc.com/alphaitanium.html
I also presented a session at the 2001 Compaq
Enterprise Technology Symposium on the issues involved in migrating applications from Alpha to Itanium from an OpenVMS perspective, "The Third Porting: Applying Past Lessons to the Alpha/Itanium Transition". In this session, I identified the similarities between Alpha and IA-64 on a data level, and projected that the factors that had caused the most trouble in the change from VAX to Alpha were simply not present in a transition from Alpha to Integrity. The session was written from the perspective of an OpenVMS user, but most of the comments are applicable to other operating systems, including Tru64 and HPUX. The notes from this session are available at http://www.rlgsc.com/cets/2001/1620.html
When HP transferred it's stake in the actual chips to Intel, and reallocated its resources to server and system development, it resolved a qualm I had had about the adoption of IA-64 by Compaq, when HP had a privileged position, and that that could become a business issue. I published comments on that issue on OSNews.com, at http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9191
In short, early adoptors of any technology (read the history of the introduction of jet powered aircraft) almost invariably face the instant catcalls of users who decide that the optimized existing technology is a better bet than the unoptimized new technology.
It is only later, when the new technology begins to assimilate the improvements inevitable in each successive generation, that the benefits of the new approach become apparent (how many large piston airliners have you flown in recently).
My advice to clients in 2001 and now remains the same, "Don't speculate, do science. Buy a samll, workstation/departmental server system (rx-class in the case of Integrity), and develop an experience base with the technlogy and its use. Then we can talk about larger systems (In the OpenVMS world, there is a great deal of latitude on whether the best solution is a collection of relatively small boxes in an OpenVMS cluster, or a single Superdome, or something in between the two).
My apologies if this post is a little long-winded.
- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
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тАО07-31-2006 12:13 AM
тАО07-31-2006 12:13 AM
Re: HP Integrity server family Bad Rap
Thanks so much for your inputs & sharing your personal experience. Reading it was very informative.
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