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Win98 cannot see XP

Jane Pietras
Occasional Visitor

Win98 cannot see XP

I have a small home network started. Using a Linksys Router (PCs to the Router, Router to a DSL modem). Both PC access the internet successfully.

I have installed NetSetup on both machines, have shared files and devices. Even created guest users on each. From the XP, I can access everything successfully on the Win98 machine.

However, I can not access anything in the other direction - that is the Win98 machine can not see the XP machine.

What am I missing in this equation?
PITA is as PITA does
21 REPLIES
Artyom Voronchihin
Respected Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Hello !
Don't clear undestand your question. How Win98 doesn't see XP machine, in Network Neigborhood or not see it at all ?
If first, run WINS server on XP and write it's IP address in network properties on Win98.
If second, try to ping IP address of XP machine from Win98. If it doesn't reply from XP machine, check that default route on Win98 points to Lynksys Router's IP address and Linksys has route from Win98 IP to Win XP IP in his route table.
"Intel inside" is not a label, it's a warning.
Scott Hower
Trusted Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

You described accessing files from one machine on the other...if the XP machine's drive is NTFS it will not be able to be 'read' by the 98 machine. It must be formatted as a FAT drive to be read by 98.
Jon Finley
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Windows XP required authentication before it will grant access to resources (files, printer, etc.)

Do one of the below:
1. Create a normal user account on the XP box with an assigned password. Give that User access to the shared area and files on the XP box. Then login on the 98 box with the same ID and password. OR....

2. Figure out what the current Windows 98 login and password are, and create the same account and password on the XP box. Give the user access to the files and share area.

By using the exact same account ID and password on each, from 98 you will attach to the share without prompting.

Jon
"Do or do not. There is no try!" - Yoda
Jorge Pinto Leite
Respected Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Hi
Like said before, do you mean that the W98 can ping the XP but not access it?
If so, be sure that the local net defined in the XP has the firewall disabled.

And, Scott, W98SE can really access and modify XP NTFS files: I have that at home!
Jorge
Dan Baxter
Frequent Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

You need to make sure your drive(or appropriate folder) is shared on the XP machine, with appropriate rights. I would give "Everyone" at least the ability to see the files, if not full control.

You are also possibly having a name resolution problem. If your XP machine always has the same IP address, you could create a lmhost file on the Win9x machine with the appropriate name & IP address in it. This should enable you to see the XP machine in Network Neighborhood and browse to it. Your other alternative would be WINS as mentioned above, but you did not say you had a server to run that on.
Those who are different, change the world. Those who are the same, keep it that way.
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

PC Running Windows 98


-Network Neighborhood
-Entire Network
-WorkGroupName
+XPComputer {but when opened says it is not on the network or inaccessible}
-Win98Computer
+Folder/Device A
+Folder/Device B
+Folder/Device C
+Folder/Device D
+XPComputer {but when opened says it is not on the network or inaccessible}
-Win98Computer
+Folder/Device A
+Folder/Device B
+Folder/Device C
+Folder/Device D


Thought if I displayed what each PC contains looking thru Windows explorer would help.


PC Running XP

-My Network Places
-Entire Network
-Microsoft Windows Network
+WorkGroupName - {but when opened it is empty}
+Folder/Device A on OldComputer (Win98Computer)
+Folder/Device B on OldComputer (Win98Computer)
+Folder/Device C on OldComputer (Win98Computer)
+Folder/Device D on OldComputer (Win98Computer)

I have both PC logon in as the same user, with the same password. On the XP, the user has admin level capabilties. I can map to the drives on the Win98 PC with no problem.

I have used the Network Wizard and selected the option of a residential gateway. Linksys did all the work automatically, since I do have only one IP address to my ISP.

It seems so close.
Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Jane:

Please right click on Network Neighborhood on the WIN98 machine and go to Properties. Please post here what Clients, Services, and Protocols are installed.

Thanks!

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Jon Finley
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

In addition to the account setup, you may need to edit the lmhosts.sam file on the Windows 98 box.

Look under C:\Windows for lmhosts.sam
Rename it to lmhosts.
Place an entry for the XP box in the form of:
ip_address system_name

192.168.1.42 my_xp_ws


That should allow NetBIOS to establish connections, the remainder will be due to permissions.

Jon
"Do or do not. There is no try!" - Yoda
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Roger,

Here they are:

Client for Microsoft Networks
Client for Netware Networks
Dial-up Adapter
Dial-Up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)
Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet Adapater
Microsoft Virtual Private Networking Adapter
IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter
IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)
IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet
NDISWAN - Microsoft Virtual Private Adapter
TCP/IP - Dial UP Adapter
TCP/IP - Dial-up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)
TCP/IP - Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet
File and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks

That's all of it

Tanx


Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Jane:

I don't know if this will solve your problem or not but it'll certainly improve performance. Delete all the items from your list that I've marked with an asterisk.

Client for Microsoft Networks

* Client for Netware Networks

Dial-up Adapter

Dial-Up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)

Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet Adapater

Microsoft Virtual Private Networking Adapter

* IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter

* IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)

* IPX/SPX-compatible protocol - Dial-up Adapter Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet

NDISWAN - Microsoft Virtual Private Adapter

TCP/IP - Dial UP Adapter

TCP/IP - Dial-up Adapter #2 (VPN Support)

TCP/IP - Kingston Etherfix KNE1111TX PCI Fast Ethernet

File and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks

Reboot your machine (it should force you to), then re-test. If problems persist, I'd like to see what the results of an IPCONFIG command would be. Go to a DOS/Command Prompt on BOTH machines and type IPCONFIG and press the Enter Key (if command is invalid for WIN98, use WINIPCFG instead). Please post these results.

Thanks!

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Roger,

On the XP machine -

Ethernet adapter Network Bridge 5:
Connection - specific DNS suffix:
IP Address: ###.###.#.102
Subnet Mask: ###.###.###.#
Default Gateway: ###.###.#.1

On the win98 machine:

0 Ethernet adapter:

IP Address: ###.###.#.101
Subnet Mask: ###.###.###.#
Default Gateway: ###.###.#.1

I didn't supply the addresses for obvious reasons, but the address info is identical between the two machines, except for the ending of the IP Address being a digit different.

BTW, another piece of this puzzle (myabe). I am using a router. When using the setup wizard, I chose the residential gateway. Was that the correct selection?

BTW, when I did create a LMHOSTS file on the WIN98 machine (as was also suggested), I could no longer access the Win98 nachine from the XP machine.

I'm accustomed to Plug-N-Play - but this has been more like Plug-n-Pray

Thanx again,

Jane
Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Jane:

I wonder if it's the 'wizard' that's caused the problem. I never use it. The info you sent me (Ethernet adapter Network Bridge 5:) has me puzzled. Do you know what brand of Network Card (NIC) is in the XP machine? Also, please post your router model number. The same field on my XP machine (also connected to a shared broadband router) looks like this:

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. : 192.168.2.3
Subnet . . : 255.255.255.0
Default . . : 192.168.2.1

If I were there, I'd delete all your networking (remove the NIC from Device Manager) and click REFRESH to re-detect the NIC. The default settings should allow the NIC to get an IP address from your router. I expect that then the 'bridge' reference should go away from the IPCONFIG output and the networking should behave better.

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Roger,

The NIC card is a Realtek RTL8139 Famiily PCI Fast Ethernet nic
there is also an entry for 1394 Net Adapter.

The Router is a Linksys NetworkEverywhere - Model # NR401.

When I was digging up this info, I came across the bridge in My Network Places. It had never been there before - must have been created during some pass of Network Wizard. Well, I deleted it. Now the info from IPCONFIG reads the same as yours. One thing that changed is that the IP address ends with a 0 instead of the 1 that it had with the bridge config.

I'm sure the wizrd has a lot to do with it. Currently, there are no computers showing up in the Work Group the wizard me create. I can still see the Win98 devices as part of a local network.

Thanx,
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Thanks to everyone for your help - The Win98 machine is now successfully seeing the devices on the XP machine.

Roger,

Your info and guidance thru this was very educational and provided the groundwork to solving the problem.

Jon,

It was the need of LMHosts.

The Wizard had created this Bridge thing that, thanks to Roger it got identified. Jon, when I created the LMHosts file, I was using the IP address assign to the BRIDGE. So, after I deleted the bridge and created another LMhosts file using the LAN IP address - it all came together.

Thanx again - you earned you pay today (and for several more days.)

Jane
Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Ah, but have we earned any points (since we don't get paid). ;^)

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Roger,

It's gone again.

I had the XP devices displayed on the WIN98 machine. Closed Window Explorer and ready to test out printing from the Win98 to the newly discovered printer on the XP. Haven't been able to see it again. The only thing that happened was my guy went into IE.

It's like the little train - I know I can, I know I can.

It still displayed the XP machine's name, but say it can't access it when you attempt to open it.

Jane_18
Occasional Advisor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Roger,

It's gone again.

I had the XP devices displayed on the WIN98 machine. Closed Window Explorer and ready to test out printing from the Win98 to the newly discovered printer on the XP. Haven't been able to see it again. The only thing that happened was my guy went into IE on the XP.

It's like the little train - I know I can, I know I can.

It still displayed the XP machine's name, but say it can't access it when you attempt to open it.

Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Jane:

Please try this on the XP PC. Click Start/My Network Places. Right click the Local Area Connection icon ( if it's not visible, you may have to click on View Network Connections under Network Tasks in the left pane (you may have to close folders to see Network Tasks). Select Repair from the list that appears when you right-click Local Area Connection. See if that helped.

If no help, I feel like we need to 'start over'. Maybe just going back and making sure each PC is 'healthy' will solve the problem(s). I would suggest going to www.windowsupdate.com on each machine and install all the fixes, patches, drivers, etc. It's tedious but worthwhile. I'm particularly concerned about XP SP1.

Another thing that concerns me is I cannot find any info about your Linksys product on their website. Could you please check to label(s) on it and post the complete model information. If there's nothing more than what you've already posted, you may need to contact Linksys and describe your problem to their tech support people to see if they have any suggestions.

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger
Douglas Brander
Occasional Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

My new XPPRO mach wouldn't see my old network neighborhood machines and vice versa. Google turned up many associated problems but what ended up fixing it was this:
Back up what you have-doh!
Then update winxp pro from the microsoft updates website - updates contain numerous fixes/patches.


This link below fixed everything for me:

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/howto/net-update.asp
yico
Occasional Visitor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

you missing netbios protocco
and maybe missing input your ip address on win98 system... i think you'd better input your ip add. ,because if u used automatic searching ip add. ,that's may can't find that winxp system...
PS: sorry.. my english is very poor , i just can expain a little bit .. sorry....
yico
Roger Faucher
Honored Contributor

Re: Win98 cannot see XP

Jane:

I just got back from vacation and answering the 600 e-mails I got while I was gone. One was for this thread (due to the previous post). I was wondering if you ever got things sorted out?

Roger
Make a great day!

Roger