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DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

 
NUVIC
Advisor

DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

I HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN MI RIPSERVER.

DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

I DONT NO WHAT IT IS

NUVIC
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Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Could You please be a bit more specific ?
What is a "MI RIPSERVER"?
Is this a VMS system ?
If yes, which version.

Then we (common plural) can ask to answer some more questions like
Is decnet installed at all ?
Is a logical NET$IGNORE_DECNET defined ?
Are there error messages when decnet starts ? (usually early in system startup).
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

What is a "My RIPSERVER"?
rip server it is DEC 2000 AXP.
Is this a VMS system ?
yes, is open vms 6.2
DECnet is installed on 2 machines.
Is a logical NET$IGNORE_DECNET defined ?
I think yes
Are there error messages when decnet starts ? (usually early in system startup).
yes.
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

I had a computer that was alphastation that broke, I change the disk for this computer DEC 2000 AXP, but I have to know the tcp / ip to recognizeon the server
Steven Schweda
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

> DECNET [...]

> [...] I have to know the tcp / ip [...]

DECnet and IP are two different things.

What are you really seeing? What would you
like to see instead? What did you really do?
What really happened when you did it?

Actual facts here would probably be more
helpful than your vague and confused
interpretations of the facts.
Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

>>Is a logical NET$IGNORE_DECNET defined ?
I think yes

You think ? SHOW LOGICAL NET$IGNORE_DECNET
If it is 1 or Yes, then this is the reason why Decnet is not started.
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

i put de command and i have this message (in attachment).

Sorry I am pricipiante, so a need lot of help.

I don´t now too the tcp/ip of machine
Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

So net$ignore_decnet is NOT defined, and the reason for not starting the decnet is less easy.
Do I understand it right: You have a system (disk), but don't know at all how it is configured, if it has decnet (or tcpip/ip) installed at all ?
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber
Hoff
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Principiante? Españole? Hola. Tengo un poco de Españole.

We can spend an afternoon here going back and forth with this discussion, one question and one response at a time.

Or you can describe this DEC 2000 series box and particularly its recent history, and what you are trying to do and what command(s) that you are using, and what error message(s) you are seeing.

Has DECnet ever been in use here before?

Did someone recently reconfigure the network on this box? If so, please go back and make sure that DECnet starts up first. That DECnet starts before LAT and TCP/IP Services.

If the box is reachable via TCP/IP and an external network, then you can choose to have somebody log into the box remotely and have a look and a quick reconfiguration of the box. Fixing this general error is usually a quick fix for el técnico.

A DEC 2000 series box is an old Alpha box, comparatively unstable as Alpha boxes go (many of these boxes were dumped on the hobbyist market for this reason), and very, very, very particular about its hardware configuration.

Robert Gezelter
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

NUVMC,

I have to leave for a meeting, but a possible "stab in the dark"

IF (and I do say IF) you are dealing with a failed AlphaStation 200, the name of the Ethernet adapter is generally EWA-0 (in the DECnet format). The adapter on an AXP 2000 is different (on an AXP 3000 workstation that I have here, it is SVA-0).

If DECnet has never successfully started on this replacement box, perhaps running SYS$MANAGER:NETCONFIG.COM is required?

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

well, I will start from the beginning.

I had a alphaserver 1000 4 / 200 that has broken down and had to OpenVMS 6.2 operating system and software is FastRip 4.0, SN-AY44411235 of the box.
I had a DEC AXP 200, SN-AY42622016 he was stopped, but running and swapped the disc system of another machine for this.
I also have an AlphaStation 200 4 / 166 with OpenVMS 6.2 operating system, SN-AY45106968, and this computer should recognize the DEC AXP 200, but does not recognize.
In the DEC AXP 200 is started when informed of this error "DECnet HOST NOT ON THIS COMING UP" but continues to run the operating system until the end.
As I am novice please help me.
Ask what you need and I can answer.
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

I try to give this command and to me they give this error.

$ nc ncp
%LIBRAR-W-OPENIN, error opening SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]NCP.NCS; as input
-RMS-E-FNF, file not found
$


how can I recover this file?
Wim Van den Wyngaert
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Try MC NCP ... or MC NCL depending on the version you use.

Wim
Wim
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

yes its work with mc ncp.

and i can see the node
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

still does not connect to server
Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Since
"DECnet HOST NOT ON THIS COMING UP"
is not a known VMS/Decnet error message, there must be something special in the custom sys$manager:systartup_vms.com to handle Decnet - or just write this message.

Then to be able to identify the Decnet software on Your system: do a "MCR NCP SHOW EXECUTOR":
this will show the state (ON or OFF) and the identification as "Decnet IV" or "Decnet-OSI".
Then one can go forward with configuration and debugging.

Some more questions in advance:
What command do You use to "connect the server" ?
SET HOST nodename
SET HOST decnet-address
DIRECTORY node::
What are the error messages when You try to connect ?

If Decnet is IV, then
MCR NCP SHOW NODE nodeid
MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN NODES
will tell You if the "server" node is known and reachable.

If Decnet is V (DECnet-OSI), then there is the local name registration program
MCR DECNET_REGISTER
Follow the menu to show node names/addresses.
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Then to be able to identify the Decnet software on Your system: do a "MCR NCP SHOW EXECUTOR":
this will show the state (ON or OFF) and the identification as "Decnet IV" or "Decnet-OSI".
Then one can go forward with configuration and debugging.

$ mcr ncp show executor


Node Volatile Summary as of 2-APR-2009 13:58:15

Executor node = 1.41 (LITAX1)

State = on
Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V6.2
Active links = 2

What command do You use to "connect the server" ?
SET HOST nodename
SET HOST decnet-address
DIRECTORY node::
What are the error messages when You try to connect ?

i use in this form:

$ set host frip1
%SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable

$ mcr ncp show node
Node ID (node-name, address): frip1


Node Volatile Summary as of 2-APR-2009 14:05:48

Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node
Links

1.51 (FRIP1) EWA-0 0
$ mcr ncp show known nodes


Known Node Volatile Summary as of 2-APR-2009 14:06:28

Executor node = 1.41 (LITAX1)

State = on
Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V6.2
Active links = 2


Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node
Links

1.21 (LITMA1) EWA-0 0
1.51 (FRIP1) EWA-0 0

$ mcr decnet_register
%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DECNET_REGISTER
-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found LITAX1$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DECNET_REGISTER.EXE;
$
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

$ mcr ncp show known nodes


Known Node Volatile Summary as of 2-APR-2009 14:06:28

Executor node = 1.51 (FRIP1)

State = on
Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS AXP V6.2


Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node
Links

1.41 (LITAX1) Unreachable
Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

The show known nodes on fips1 does not show a circuit.

Make sure all circuits are started:
MCR NCP SET EXECUTOR STATE ON

Try a MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS :
If there none in state on, then do a @netconfig
to reconfigure the circuits. (EWA-0 vs SVA-), don't know which interface Your system has).
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber
NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

On AlphaStation 200:


$ mcr ncp sh known circuits


Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 2-APR-2009 15:14:53

Circuit State Loopback Adjacent
Name Routing Node

EWA-0 on



On DEC 2000 AXp:


$ mcr ncp sh known circuits


Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of ----date-------

NO INFORMATION IN DATABASE
Hoff
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Configure DECnet Phase IV on the DEC 2000 box.

@SYS$MANAGER:NETCONFIG

You'll have to provide a node name and node address, and (usually) take the defaults for the DECnet server settings.

Then:

$ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:NCP
NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES FROM x.y TO BOTH

where x.y is the DECnet Phase IV numeric address of a host with a DECnet host database somewhere on your local DECnet network. I see 1.51 is one such node.

Skipping the step of reading the OpenVMS and the associated product installation and configuration manuals is unfortunately not feasible on OpenVMS; the system management environment is both comparatively arcane and comparatively unforgiving. You will end up frustrated, or lost, or both.

cnb
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

NUVIC
Advisor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

I already see the node.
but when you start the software FASTRIP,
he asks a question:
"boot from resident software?"

I say yes and then not do anything:
"boot from resident software? Y "
Joseph Huber_1
Honored Contributor

Re: DECNET ON THIS HOST NOT COMING UP

Now since Decnet works,
FASTRIP etc. is application software, and You have to find somebody at Your site to understand it.
http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber